(Nov 22, 2023, 11:41 am)rezwaki Wrote: [ -> ]Arabs need to face reality and work out a peace treaty.
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It had been worked out, Israel has to get back to the 1967 borders. I still havent seen the hamas hq underneath the hospital.
Be smart and make a real treaty for peace.
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Do you seriously think Israel will agree to anything that forbids them to continue taking chunks of land? The only option is to change Israeli government or their policies. Israel is a cancer STATE and orthodox jews know that.
Ok, given that I'm Atheist King Solomon, stts2 for short, and have no favoritism to anybodies religion, I got Arabs and Jews that have come to my court to get a ruling on what is fair. I say to each to tell me your side.
Jews say statute of limitations says 5 years and possession is 9/10s of the law. I say you Jews have a commanding point, what do you say Arabs?
Arabs say that Americans took away statute of limitations on Trump so we deserve the same treatment and lets go back to do the borders the 1967 way. I say oh wow. That does seem to be the new way of things, so it looks like it's only fair to treat all the same way. What do you say Mr Jews?
Jews say wise king stts2, we are impressed with your clear vision of things, and are truly impressed with your sense of reasoning. So we can agree to do away with the statute of limitation and we present the map of the disputed area back before the Romans marched in and chased us all out. It's the map that is documented in the history of all the religious books passed down thru the millennia. With this map, it is clear that Israelis owned the northern side of the Jordan River and our brothers of Judea owned the southern side of Jordan. Today we all call ourselves Israelis, so that is why the whole area is now Israeli, as designated by UN charter bestowed by the Americans after the British pulled out.
To be clear King stts2, let us Jews present as evidence a series of maps of Israel as we started out, and as we won wars that actually expanded our borders to how they are today. The Romans conquered and displaced all the people of the Jewish land that refused to pay tribute to Rome. Romans ruled the land till the Roman civilization collapsed. Christians eventually invaded and further tossed the Jews around. Eventually the whole area was claimed by the ever expanding Ottoman empire. It remained Ottoman for nearly half a millennia. Back then people separated by 100 miles never heard from each other again. And only those near trade routes could benefit from more wide spread communications. So the people were scattered everywhere and lived isolated lives in the empire. Finally WW1 hit and the Ottomans aligned with Germany. That flew in the face of the United Kingdom that was interested in oil trade and the British conquered the Ottomans. And as with all wars, the victor gets the spoils.
After the war in 1918, the United Kingdom diced up the Ottomans and Britain was given control of the whole Jordan Palestine territory. Britain chose to try to teach the nomadic life there how to govern and improve themselves. There were a few cities in the region of very primitive nature that limited their growth capabilities. A life of well water, where everything was built around the wells. That kind of primitive thing. Britain brought civilization that helped the people expand everything. But it was not a lush British land. It was what it was, and not a place the British yearned for.
So eventually the post war League Of nations mandate ran out in 1948 after ww2. The need was great for a place for Jews to migrate too, after the destruction of ww2. So all of the western nations pulled out of the Middle East and new borders were established in the Middle East, giving Jews a territory in Palestine to migrate to. The Arabs did not like this, but this was a conquered land ruled by the Western powers that conquered them in 1918. Spoils of war. America immediately recognized Israel as the new territory in Palestine. And a new map of the area was officiated. The Arabs hated it. But they didn't win the war or the right of any say.
The map of 1948 shows a vastly reduced area of Israel than it does today and even from Biblical times. A new map, that was drawn up as western powers pulled out of the area and gave control to the peoples there. But Arabs were still furious. They didn't want Jews there at all, even though there have always been some Jews there. The land used to be entirely Jews. The Jews of the area grew alarmed for their safety, since the West was pulling out, and encouraged vast immigration to increase their numbers. Jews were surrounded by Arabs and the Western powers were receding. Partly to rebuild after WW2. So the Jewish territory got more powerful, way more quickly than the primitive Arabs realized. The Jews saw and embraced reality and made themselves strong.
The British were not happy with how strong the Jews got, despite British efforts to modernize everybody there. But America was fine with it and called out Britain for complaining, but refusing to welcome many of the Jewish refugees. A disagreement within the League of Nations, soon to be called the UN. But then again, America and the British were always disagreeing, hah.
In 1948 on the day the Western Powers declared that they were out of the Middle east, Egypt, Syria, Transjordan, Iraq, Yemen, Morocco, Saudi Arabia and Sudan attacked, launching the 1948 Arab–Israeli War. It went on for a year and Israel was a bigger nation after the cease fire was declared. Israel gets the spoils of war. New maps were again drawn up world wide.
Little fights here and there kept on going for nearly 20 years. Then in 1967 Egypt. Jordan, Syria and Iraq started the 6 day war against Israel. Israel blew them all up and became a nation 3 times bigger than they were 6 days before. Again. Spoils of war, Israel rules the new lands.
For 15 more years, attacks on Jews around the world took place. Including Jews in the Olympic games. Jews responded with suspected assassinations of their enemies also located around the world. Eye for an eye battles were waged all over the place. The Yom Kippur war was launched by Arabs in 1973 that resulted in 30,000 dead Arab soldiers.
In 1982, the whole Sinai Peninsula was given back to Egypt as a land for peace agreement. But that agreement was not peace for everyone. Continued terrorist attacks on Israel went on with Israel retaliating in return. More small peace agreements were signed but never implemented, as it was clear that peace was not going to result.
So wise Kings stts2. Given the undeniable documentation of the history of how the Map of Israel became what it is, the Jewish people claim that if the statute of limitations of today is to be put aside, that the entire history of the map of Israel be recognized. The Roman conquerors, the Ottoman Conquerors, the Byzantine Christian conquerors, and the British Conquerors are not in your court to lay any claims. So the argument is solely between Palestinian Arabs and the Israeli Jews. And history clearly shows that Jews have won all wars in defense of the lands against all people in this court. Lands Jews have always occupied and were given official custody of in 1948.
And please consider that we must have peace with all Arabs. It does little good to have peace with a few nations only to have terrorists get close and shoot powerful missiles at us. Some will always shoot at use because they consider us infidels. We must keep our nation strong to protect from all attacks.
I King stts2 look at this and go wow. That is indeed a most powerful point. And the added measure of generosity by giving up the entire Sinai region won in ferocious battle, seems too compelling to ignore. Mr Arab, what response do you have to this argument from the Jews?
Biblical map
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UN mandated map just before the 1948 war.
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World map after the 6 Day war.
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