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Members living in the UK (well, England and Wales anyway) will be pleased to know the government is putting 'less government' into action again, this time making rape-porn (simulated or not) possession a punishable offence, and could mean a 3 year prison sentence, which is slightly less than the average term served by real rapists in America.
Quote:'It is against the law to publish images of rape but a legal loophole means possession of the material is currently unpunishable.
The changes to the law, which will be introduced in January, will bring England and Wales in line with Scotland, where the offence carries a maximum sentence of three years in jail.
Mr Cameron is targeting websites which show videos and images of rape – whether they claim they are ‘simulated’ or not.
The prime minister has previously attacked websites which show the material, saying: ‘These images normalise sexual violence against women – and they are quite simply poisonous to the young people who see them.’
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It's one thing to be in possession of vids of real rapes, but it's wrong to say that's its illegal to record/view rape simulations involving consenting adults. Some bdsm and gay porn will come under scrutiny, and I'm wondering how all this will 'help protect women and children.' Why is the nanny state interfering with the private fantasies of its citizens, and what's next? Will they ban movies that depict rape scenes, like Deliverance, A Clockwork Orange, and countless others?
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Why would anyone even want to watch a "simulated" rape?
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That's not the point. Just because you and the majority of the planet aren't interested in viewing such depictions doesn't excuse the fact that laws like this criminalize possession of legally produced content.
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(This post was last modified: Nov 19, 2013, 17:42 pm by Vintage television.)
(Nov 19, 2013, 17:32 pm)kjf Wrote: That's not the point. Just because you and the majority of the planet aren't interested in viewing such depictions doesn't excuse the fact that laws like this criminalize possession of legally produced content. Well it sounds like their taking steps to stop it being "legally produced." And I'm not sure that anyone that wants to create these sort of films are all that mentally healthy as to be consenting.
But I guess that's just the way it looks to me
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So you are saying that anyone who chooses to act out a scene that appears to be non-consentual is "mentally unhealthy?" So by extension, possession of any imagery of them doing the same should be illegal?
This is yet another attempt at censorship "for the sake of the children."
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(Nov 19, 2013, 16:59 pm)Spud17 Wrote: (...) what's next? Will they ban movies that depict rape scenes, like Deliverance, A Clockwork Orange, and countless others?
Somehow, if that did happen, that wouldn't be surprising and actually, I'm surprised that wasn't first before this in terms of being conservatively active for the government. You'd think they'd go the "easy" route.
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(Nov 19, 2013, 18:30 pm)kjf Wrote: So you are saying that anyone who chooses to act out a scene that appears to be non-consentual is "mentally unhealthy?" So by extension, possession of any imagery of them doing the same should be illegal?
This is yet another attempt at censorship "for the sake of the children."
Well to be honest I've never thought that there was such a thing as "consensual rape porn." I enjoy seeing a beautiful woman naked as much as any man but to want to see a beautiful woman violently brutilized in a sex act just isn't part of my personality. Therefore I've never gone looking for something like rape porn and the idea to want to do/see something like that seems pretty strange to me.
So for those reasons I question the mental stability of all those involved in producing and watching such things.
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Except this isn't about your personal opinion on what constitutes mental stability.
This is about government making possession of something consenting adults did in front of a camera illegal. You are being told you can't be in possession of something because of what appears to be taking place. No crime was ever committed. Well, except by you now.
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(Nov 19, 2013, 21:29 pm)kjf Wrote: Except this isn't about your personal opinion on what constitutes mental stability.
This is about government making possession of something consenting adults did in front of a camera illegal. You are being told you can't be in possession of something because of what appears to be taking place. No crime was ever committed. Well, except by you now.
But in a way it is about my personal opinion just as it is about yours and thousands of other people.
If someone asked me if something like "rape porn" should be produced I would say, no and that I'm not confortable with the idea that there might be someone in my neigborhood that wants to either participate or watch this sort of thing. If I'm given the chance to keep it out of my community or enough people think like me, then don't we have the right to demand a rule be enforced to keep this sort of stuff from being made available?
I have a mother and I'm in love with a woman that I hope to one day marry. Not to mention that perhaps one day I'll have a daughter. So not only do I find it creepy but it scares the hell out of me that someone might fantasizing about raping women. Afterall they might be thinking about one of the women I love.
Therefore I have to ask,
Do we really need to have something like rape-porn available in a civilized society?
(Nov 20, 2013, 03:20 am)Vintage television Wrote: Do we really need to have something like rape-porn available in a civilized society?
if you define civilized society as one in which every facet of your life is being controlled by government, then the answer is no; fortunately you wouldn't have to even decide for yourself since you'd basically just be a government operated meat puppet.
first, let's define the terms and then change the context.
rape porn = forced fantasy porn (which can also include various forms of bdsm porn)
now, let's change the context to grand theft auto. should the government have the ability to ban the game because it normalizes violence?
movies, perhaps? time to ban lots of movies because they glorify violence. some even glorify sex. that's a two-fer.
how about books? let's say they are getting ready to ban certain books for whatever reason... maybe they encourage readers to think for themselves for instance. can't have that. burn em all.
when a government starts laying down limitations, it's just a few short steps closer authoritarianism.
(Nov 20, 2013, 03:20 am)Vintage television Wrote: I have a mother and I'm in love with a woman that I hope to one day marry.
now, try not to freak out about what i'm going to say next, because i'm really just trying to prove a point.
statistically speaking, both your mother and future wife have had rape fantasies of their own. and that really is the key: they are just fantasies.
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