Rape-porn possession will get you 3 years jailtime.

[Vintage television]

If you define civilized society as one in which every facet of your life is being controlled by government, then the answer is no; fortunately you wouldn't have to even decide for yourself since you'd basically just be a government operated meat puppet.

first, let's define the terms and then change the context.

rape porn = forced fantasy porn (which can also include various forms of bdsm porn)

now, let's change the context to grand theft auto. should the government have the ability to ban the game because it normalizes violence?

movies, perhaps? time to ban lots of movies because they glorify violence. some even glorify sex. that's a two-fer.

how about books? let's say they are getting ready to ban certain books for whatever reason... maybe they encourage readers to think for themselves for instance. can't have that. burn em all.

when a government starts laying down limitations, it's just a few short steps closer authoritarianism.

now, try not to freak out about what i'm going to say next, because i'm really just trying to prove a point.

statistically speaking, both your mother and future wife have had rape fantasies of their own. and that really is the key: they are just fantasies.

Well first let me say I classify most mainstream/Hollywood produced films, especially those of the last 20 year, to be nothing more than violent porn of almost no redeeming social value. So truthfully I think getting rid of them might not be such a bad idea.

Second you speak as if your opinion on the subject is the opinion shared by the majority of others. When truthfully you don't know that. You're opinion might be the one most people have or mine might be the one. So if you want to sign a petition to allow rape-porn then that's your choice and right. Whereas I would probably sign a petition to ban it.

Third I asked my mother and fiance about this stuff called rape porn and what they thoguht of it. This about fantazing about women fantasizing about rape issue came up and my fiance outright said she's never had a violent fantasy of that nature. On the other hand my mother is a clinical psychiatrist and she told me that rape is about violence and not sex and most rapists are anti-social and overtly hostile towards rejection.

Furthermore she informed me that most women who have/had so-called rape fantasies are not fantasizing about rape but are dealing with their own insecurities about sex. For many women the idea that a lover desires them so much that they loose all self control is very appealing. It's about feeling incredibly desired, breaking taboos, and being with the one that desires them the most. But in the situations where a woman actively fantasizes about the violence, there's invariably a real life history of sexual abuse in their past.

[stormium]

Well first let me say I classify most mainstream/Hollywood produced films, especially those of the last 20 year, to be nothing more than violent porn of almost no redeeming social value. So truthfully I think getting rid of them might not be such a bad idea.

okay, so basically you are saying that censorship is okay. cool.

Second you speak as if your opinion on the subject is the opinion shared by the majority of others. When truthfully you don't know that. You're opinion might be the one most people have or mine might be the one. So if you want to sign a petition to allow rape-porn then that's your choice and right. Whereas I would probably sign a petition to ban it.

as a matter of fact, i regularly consider all my opinions to have a basis in reality, but how my opinions are regarded is not what is in question.

the majority of people don't concern me and their private lives concern me even less.

as for petitions... who cares? if you don't want to watch fantasy porn, then don't.

Third I asked my mother and fiance about this stuff called rape porn and what they thoguht of it. This about fantazing about women fantasizing about rape issue came up and my fiance outright said she's never had a violent fantasy of that nature. On the other hand my mother is a clinical psychiatrist and she told me that rape is about violence and not sex and most rapists are anti-social and overtly hostile towards rejection.

then i will assume your fiance is lying to you. if she's never had a fantasy about rape, then fine; maybe. but if she's never thought about rape, then it's not true. it really depends on how she differentiates from fantasy or considering the possibility of ever being raped. it's also worth mentioning that most people won't divulge sexual fantasies because they consider them to be private.

as for your mother: don't buy the hype. if rape were just about violence and not sex, it wouldn't be rape. it would be just be assault and, or battery. the sexual component can't just be ignored in order to insinuate that a theory involving case studies are correct but that's fine. we aren't talking about actual rape. we are talking about rape fantasies.

Furthermore she informed me that most women who have/had so-called rape fantasies are not fantasizing about rape but are dealing with their own insecurities about sex. For many women the idea that a lover desires them so much that they loose all self control is very appealing. It's about feeling incredibly desired, breaking taboos, and being with the one that desires them the most. But in the situations where a woman actively fantasizes about the violence, there's invariably a real life history of sexual abuse in their past.

or, the women who have these fantasies are fantasizing about being handled like in rough sex. i know plenty of women that just like it rough. does that imply that they are insecure or does that imply that they have their own desires and free will?

oh shit, free will? can't have that.

i'd go on but it's starting to sound like your opinion and that of your clinical psychiatrist mother are being presented as facts... you've made your position pretty clear: censorship is great as long as it serves your own interests and in return; i honestly feel sorry for you.

in a world where your so called 'majority' or 'social elite' get to arbitrarily dictate morality is a sad one.

[Vintage television]

then i will assume your fiance is lying to you.

On that I think we can safely agree to disagree about both my fiance and this subject.

[Spud17]

There are many adult UK citizens who enjoy, in the privacy of their own homes, being brutally sodomised by their consenting partner. Many photograph/record it, it's their fantasy and it's their choice. People who enjoy simulations of rape with other consenting adults, know full well the huge difference between real life horrific rape, and simulated rape between consenting adults.

Personal feelings and opinions about the private sexual fantasies of consenting adults don't come into this. This law, which is part of the governments larger 'war' on porn, affects much more than porn itself.

I'm under no illusion about the amount of real actual rape images/vids out there, particularly in the deep web, and with regard to personal opinion, I'd wager that any reasonable citizen would find that sickening, disgusting, and agree it should be illegal etc. The UK government's biggest problem is that it can't, or won't differentiate between what's real and what's fake.

BDSM porn will be affected, although I wonder what images will be classed as rape, will ties and rope be part of the definition? What about spanking while being hoisted from the ceiling? Or will it be the the moment of penetration, in which case, will it matter if the person on the image being raped is smiling, will it matter if the person being 'raped' is a husband - by his wife, and will it matter if both 'rapist' and 'victim' are gay men? Gay rape fantasies are popular. How will making it illegal protect women and children? I call bullshit. Also, hands up anyone who hasn't heard of a single british MP who's been caught with their pants down, with a banana up their arse, while pretending to be a horse, in the company of a prostitute or 4?

I'm guessing depictions of rape on video games will also be made illegal. Now the government is telling you that you can't (and by extension, that it's morally wrong) act out your fantasies in gaming.

Think of all the prison movies that happen to have a rape scene in... people don't class the films as porn, and know they're watching a simulated fake rape between consenting paid actors. A Clockwork Orange was only recently unbanned, proof that the UK government doesn't have a clue what's it doing.

A sinister aspect of this law is the tagging of all images on the internet... the potential is there for a database of tagged images, and who's viewing them. The government is dictating again.... next thing they'll be arresting and convicting rapists.

[ViperScale]

Except this isn't about your personal opinion on what constitutes mental stability.

This is about government making possession of something consenting adults did in front of a camera illegal. You are being told you can't be in possession of something because of what appears to be taking place. No crime was ever committed. Well, except by you now.

But in a way it is about my personal opinion just as it is about yours and thousands of other people.

If someone asked me if something like "rape porn" should be produced I would say, no and that I'm not confortable with the idea that there might be someone in my neigborhood that wants to either participate or watch this sort of thing. If I'm given the chance to keep it out of my community or enough people think like me, then don't we have the right to demand a rule be enforced to keep this sort of stuff from being made available?

I have a mother and I'm in love with a woman that I hope to one day marry. Not to mention that perhaps one day I'll have a daughter. So not only do I find it creepy but it scares the hell out of me that someone might fantasizing about raping women. Afterall they might be thinking about one of the women I love.

Therefore I have to ask,
Do we really need to have something like rape-porn available in a civilized society?

What is better giving someone who has issues an out by letting them have non-real rape porn to look at or by saying you can't and them going out and really raping someone?

[Vintage television]

What is better giving someone who has issues an out by letting them have non-real rape porn to look at or by saying you can't and them going out and really raping someone?

That old argument.

There have been studies done by Lindsay A. Robertson, Helena M. McAnally and Robert J. Hancox proving that children watching more than 2 hours a week of voilent television shows are prone to antisocial behavior in early adulthood. Furthermore George Comstock and Haejung Paik found that at least in the short-term the effect of being exposed to violent media has a moderate to large impact on the perpetration of physical violence against other people.

However because voilent horrific events like Sandy Hook and the Aurora theater shooting are still somewhat rare and furthermore due to ethical prohibitions on performing studies that would prove without a doubt the causation of such violent acts, the question of direct causation remains contested. (IE: No one wants to develop a study that might actually directly provoke a violent act so as to clearly document its causation)

SO......
How about instead of giving someone wth "issues" his so-called outlet, we as a society spend money on education and trained mental health care providers?
Afteralll society certainly has no problems spending huge sums of money on war, booze, stupid iJunk, etc. Scale back on that stuff and make society healthy.

[Kingfish]

There have been studies done by Lindsay A. Robertson, Helena M. McAnally and Robert J. Hancox proving that children watching more than 2 hours a week of voilent television shows are prone to antisocial behavior in early adulthood. Furthermore George Comstock and Haejung Paik found that at least in the short-term the effect of being exposed to violent media has a moderate to large impact on the perpetration of physical violence against other people.

That's quite a deflection given children typically dont have sex and adults generally dont let them watch porn.

[ddoking007]

lol that's why they go be hind the parents back and watch it...


funny thing is that everyone has looked at porn in one way or another XD

when ever some declares 'war' on something that people do they usually waste money...

[Kingfish]

A quick look at the study cited shows its a study on under 10's.

[Vintage television]

That's quite a deflection given children typically dont have sex and adults generally dont let them watch porn.

I wasn't aware that there was such a thing as a non-voilent rape. But I assume you're a rational intelligent human being and that's not what you're trying to claim. So read back and you'll see that there's no deflection at all. The studies listed are about are about the effect of viewing violence on the psyche. Violence is violence and someone would really have to be bent or have an ulterior motive to try and split hairs on the subject.

Children today live in a society of blood, bombs, misogyny, etc. And the overwhelming amount of it is called "entertainment." Since we all start out in life as children, I can only postulate that someone who enjoys viewing "rape porn" didn't just wake up one day and say "hey I'm sexually arroused by the idea of seeing someone violently and sexually brutilized." If someone did just "wake up" lke that, then there's obviously some sort of malformation or chemical imbalance in their brain. Otherwise their desire for rape porn came about gradually.

Heneceforth my opinion that greater investment in education and mental health care. (Plus I support the ban on rape porn.)