You do not die or get addicted to ANY drug if you do not abuse it.

[dueda]

I'm unnaware of serious attempts to avoid abuse; maybe it's impossible to control people, so regulating it could be the only way to go.
But wich drugs? I'm sure big laboratories would love to step up, creating dreammy new synths.

Then we would be a New World, with privacy and possibly social issues. The suits win, general population is zombified.
Next step, neural "confort" implant! Two birds with one stone?

[Hiroven]

[...] Then we would be a New World, [...]

A reference to Brave New World, by any chance?

[dueda]

[...] Then we would be a New World, [...]

A reference to Brave New World, by any chance?

Exactly!

[dueda]

Sorry guys for comming back to this, but tought this could be relevant to the matter.

I met a kid years ago, while teaching computer basics; he was cool, a nice boy around his 14-16. Small town, quiet and caring family.
Few years later he met a girl much like him in the neighborhood and got into a belly weding. I was there. He got everything too soon, I guess.
Maybe being stuck with a conservative family, maybe not having adventure in his life or the respect of his family, I don't know.

He got into drugs and got pennyless, but with family help, he attended meetings and went to college. It was hard and he lived in a garage.
He couldn't find or keep a job but had a small shop. Maybe he wanted more, or just couldn't keep clean.

Last weekend he ended it. So maybe drugs won't kill you, but will definitely help.

[Mr.Masami]

... Last weekend he ended it. So maybe drugs won't kill you, but will definitely help.

Very sad to hear, and yes it's another factor about the drugs.
They may not kill you directly but even one use can lead to suicide in a person with mental problems.

[vonRicht]

"So maybe drugs won't kill you, but will definitely help."

"They may not kill you directly but even one use can lead to suicide in a person with mental problems."

I wrote this earlier in the thread, but I guess it won't hurt to repeat it:

"But there's a reason a person get's addicted to any drug and that IS NOT THE DRUGS FAULT. The fault for that addiction lies inside the person.
There's always a reason behind some person getting addicted, and the reason can be low self esteem because of a bad childhood, maybe anoreksi, a girl misused
by her father, a boy getting beaten every day, what ever the cause you know what I mean. So the reason for the addiction is actually self medication.
People starts to over use a drug, because there's already something wrong inside and the drug is used as medication to get away from that feeling or feelings."

[politux]

 The fault for that addiction lies inside the person.
...
People starts to over use a drug, because there's already something wrong inside and the drug is used as medication to get away from that feeling or feelings.

Yeah like those people who have an injury and get an opioid prescription from their doctor and get hooked and then turn to heroin because they can't get the pills or can't afford them.

Addiction is a disease that can strike anyone. It doesn't necessarily mean they are a broken person.  Drugs hijack the reward system of our brains that normally reinforces positive behavior like eating and having sex and instead reinforce negative behaviors, like shooting speedballs.  

Of course some people are self medicating but not all.  Be careful with broad generalizations about entire populations.  Drugs are addictive, opioids are extremely addictive.

[dueda]

To each, their own; it is obvious that each individual will have their own journey. I can't blame my friend for not taking it anymore.
As far as I know, he had no mental issues neither known traumas, but he had, assumedly, a crack problem. And crack is bad.
That ended tragically and the family is down by it now. I hope he was not in debt with the dealers or you know.

To summarize, I believe one can do what one wishes, but we never know for sure how it will end - Just that it's very dangerous.
I hope anyone eventually reading this can see the issue and avoid getting along with it. Those guys doing drugs are either dieing or killing.

Wish you all the best. Stay cool and, if possible, safe.

[Sid]

1. Remember that this is the Internet. Just because someone claims to be a healthy non-addicted drug user does not mean they are healthy, non-addicted or a drug user.

Hell, I smoke crack every other day and I'm probably the fittest person on this forum. The only reason I didn't win a silver medal in the weight lifting at Rio was because I was running across Europe at the time to raise money to save the orangutans. I encourage crack use because without it I wouldn't have been able to beat the world long jump record last year (unofficially, as I only did it in training, but still).

2. Semantically, the statement that it is possible to use drugs without significant harmful effects is perfectly valid and perfectly true.

Just as it is possible to walk across a motorway blindfolded while listening to music via earphones without significant harmful effects, or to put a bullet into one chamber of a revolver, spin it, point the gun at your head and pull the trigger. It is unlikely, and the more often you try it the more likely you are to end up dead, but it is possible.

[brettsurfer]

that is completely wrong all opiates if used 2=3 times daily will become physically addictive within 7-10 days

I myself is not much of drinker. I do like the early effects of alcohol, but the later ones I really don't! Binge drunk = agressive/annoying.
But I do enjoy a GT for taste and effect and Wine for taste.
I rather prefer the effects of opiates instead once and a while, for my lulz, and if it's a big evening I would add a speedball.

Great stuff, but take care with it, mates.

Opiates? You're out of your mind. You know how many people OD and die from those yearly in the US? More than die in car accidents. Especially now when stuff is laced with fentanyl.  Speedballs are even worse than just opiates alone. Probably the most dangerous combination of drugs you can do.  Also IV? God lord.

Nope, I'm not out of my mind and I'm not joking. Wow, I wasn't expecting this mainstream Mom and Dad "drugs are bad and scary" response. Not here!

You do not die og get addicted to ANY drug if you do not abuse it. That goes for alcohol, cannabis, opiates whatever drug. And Opiates are not easier to get addicted to than Cannabis, Alcohol, Crack or any other drug. If you read such information then it's the usual government propaganda!

Anyway folks, I'm not doing this every day. And you shall take very care with alcohol just as with any other drug out there.
I'm quite sure I don't have to tell you about the damage alcohol has done to people and families over the ages.

I just prefer opiates for my lulz rather than alcohol, and here I mean when there's a party on, not for every day nights, that would be very expensive. On every day nights it's mostly soft drinks if not Wine.

Sorry for my little drug input, keep the thread going and don't mind me.

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if you are using crack every few days you sir are addicted try going 8 weeks with out and tell me how it goes bet ya cant make 3 weeks , and im not saying this to be mean I PERSONALLY HAVE BEEN ADDICTED TO BOTH BLOW AND PILLS TOOK ME 2 YEARS TO GET OFF BOTH OF EM WITH SUBOXIN AND METHATDONE I HAVE KICKED IT ALL AND AM NOW OFF OF THE SUBOXIN TOO

1. Remember that this is the Internet. Just because someone claims to be a healthy non-addicted drug user does not mean they are healthy, non-addicted or a drug user.

Hell, I smoke crack every other day and I'm probably the fittest person on this forum. The only reason I didn't win a silver medal in the weight lifting at Rio was because I was running across Europe at the time to raise money to save the orangutans. I encourage crack use because without it I wouldn't have been able to beat the world long jump record last year (unofficially, as I only did it in training, but still).

2. Semantically, the statement that it is possible to use drugs without significant harmful effects is perfectly valid and perfectly true.

Just as it is possible to walk across a motorway blindfolded while listening to music via earphones without significant harmful effects, or to put a bullet into one chamber of a revolver, spin it, point the gun at your head and pull the trigger. It is unlikely, and the more often you try it the more likely you are to end up dead, but it is possible.

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PHYSICAL ADDICTION TO OPIATES TAKES ONLY 7-10 DAYS OF DAILY USE AS FOR HEROIN , MORPHINE ETC 4-5 DAYS DAILY USE AND BOOM ADDICTED

 The fault for that addiction lies inside the person.
...
People starts to over use a drug, because there's already something wrong inside and the drug is used as medication to get away from that feeling or feelings.

Yeah like those people who have an injury and get an opioid prescription from their doctor and get hooked and then turn to heroin because they can't get the pills or can't afford them.

Addiction is a disease that can strike anyone. It doesn't necessarily mean they are a broken person.  Drugs hijack the reward system of our brains that normally reinforces positive behavior like eating and having sex and instead reinforce negative behaviors, like shooting speedballs.  

Of course some people are self medicating but not all.  Be careful with broad generalizations about entire populations.  Drugs are addictive, opioids are extremely addictive.

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SHOUT OUT TO ALL ,MOST NARCOTICS ARE PHYSICALLY ADDICTIVE, IF USED DAILY, WITHIN 7-10 DAYS ..........