You do not die or get addicted to ANY drug if you do not abuse it.

[SpunkyMcMunkey]

The other time I was smoking Jane alone (one of my first tries) in my home, smoked one pipe - nothing, second - nothing, started to get angry at my dealer that he sold me some crap that does nothing
when I was in the middle of third pipe I felt the first wave, strong as hell,  at this point I knew I was fucked up as I was feeling next waves coming at me, each stronger, I ended up throwing for like two hours, even light eye movement
was triggering violent vomiting, whole floor was in vomit, when it stopped I was all paper-white my friend who came for me couldn't believe how bad I was.

Don't know what was it.

You overdosed. Plain and simple. One of the first times you smoked, you smoked three pipes. You pumped a lot of a foreign substance into your body, and your body didn't know how to handle it.

There's a popular myth that no one dies from marijuana, but I'm fairly sure that it's because the overdose symptoms are as you described. As it's also a social drug, people tend to smoke it in groups. If someone starts to overdose, they're usually with friends who help. Otherwise, they choke on vomit etc.

But there's a reason a person get's addicted to any drug and that IS NOT THE DRUGS FAULT. The fault for that addiction lies inside the person.

Sorry, but you're completely wrong. The whole point of recreational drugs is that they change the brain's chemistry. Sometimes that change is permanent. If someone has an underlying condition, then yes, they're more likely to feel the effects, including addiction, but that doesn't mean that healthy people can't get addicted.

A few years ago I had to take high dose opiate based painkillers after an operation. Most people have a reaction to them, like getting a buzz and getting high, but I got nothing ( yay, lucky me! ). After the course of painkillers finished, I stopped cold turkey instead of being weaned off them, as I had none of the side effects. I was nauseated, shaky, and had pounding headaches for days.

I had no mental reward for taking the drugs, and no association of happiness or other good feelings, but I was physically addicted. I wasn't beaten as a child, I'm not suffering from PTSD, and my daddy didn't take too long tucking me into bed at night, so I've got none of the issues you claim that addicted people need, and again, I got no kind of high from them, so there was no reason for me to take them. My body didn't know that though.

[ill88eagle]

Ive taken just about any drug you can imagine except opiates. Ive known heroin addicts first hand and watched them kick. Ive been a cokehead. I am an alcolholic who if I dont get my shit in the morning go into cramps that feel like dying. I smoke 3 packs of cigs a day. If you lay some coke on me right now I wont hesitate. Now, important stuff to know for all you pretenders (Except LZA who has actually been through it):

The drugs that cause physical dependancy are opiates, amphetamines, alcohol and nicotine. That is to say, if your body gets used to that shit, quitting means withdrawal that can kill you. Oh, benzoes are the worst, and those are prescribed like paracetamol

Any substance taken in excess will kill you. What is waterboarding? And how long can you go without h2o? 3 days m8ties and then you snuff it.

Paracelcus was an alchremist of the 17th century who pioneered and revolutionized medicine. A Swiss pharmaceutical company use his name to brand their shit to this day. His most famous axiom: "Everything is poison". It all depends on the amount. Eat enough porridge and it will kill you.

Now, the cocaine, caffeinde, theine and whatever the compound inside chocolate is called are of the same family. They all wake you up and make your brain go fast while dulling your mental pains. Cocaine is a physichal painkiller too. But the addiction you get from them is merely psychological. There are no physichal withdrawal symptoms whatsoever. And so it is with weed as well.

As far as psychedelic drugs go, same story. LSD, MDMA, shrooms (my personal fave), they do nothing to your body in terms of physical addiction, but they can fuck up your brain big time. So can weed. Ive had friends who got locked up in the mental ward with psychosis because of their weed intake.

Now lets go to refined sugar. Its a fucken drug. And its harmful as fuck. More so than coke and weed. But everybodys metabolism is used to it. We are spoonfed that shit since toddler stage. Instead of raw fruit we feed our babies canned bullshit full of it. And then we give them coke and fanta and cake for their birthday. Serve them icecream after dinner, etc, etc... The raw sugar cane is a healthy supplement, but the white sugar we use... Im too lazy to look up sauces

Anyway, I have no beef with any kind of substance use or abuse as long as the person in question is able to maintain and comport his/herself. You want to shoot up? Just don't cause no wahala with me or my friends and family. You want to blaze or booze? By all means, as long as you are able to maintain your integrity and decency. Sadly, this is where most addicts fail.

As for death, were all gonna die. And none of us asked to be born in the first place. And life is mostly full of shit. So enjoy yourselves while it lasts. If possible...

[joew771]

You sir, are an idiot. Heroin speed alcholol and cigs are the only addictive drugs. Right.

Idiot. Caffiene and pot and coke are obviously all addictive. If you think they aren't you are a fucking moron.

And sugar is not addictive. Go soak your head.

It's unbelievable the ignorance of some people. Is it the psychotic media? Or just the ignorant public opinion that makes you believe like you do?

[LZA]

It would probably be helpful to make a contrast of the differences between physical and mental addiction for the purpose of clarifying your points...

Things like sugar are more mentally addictive (for me: you THINK you have to have them), but physically, if you stop them your body actually gets healthier... Especially true for me since I'm diabetic.  While physical addiction from opiates, caffeine, alcohol, (so on and so forth) is a bit different since when you try to stop those, your body goes into physical withdrawals and you get physically sick (can even die).

Things like spending money, gambling, porn, are other mental examples of addiction since you don't go through physical body withdrawals if you stop; but then again I wonder if they aren't a bit physical too...Since your brain is a thing, and if you stop these things it negatively affects your brain, and can feel like an actual physical pain.

That's why coming off anything should require physical rehab and mental retraining since they seem to go hand in hand (just my opinion). This can apply to whatever you may be addicted to. EVERYTHING in MODERATION sounds like a decent approach to doing anything, but I've always lived an all or nothing lifestyle. Plus I'm one of those assholes who doesn't take advice...I have to learn things the hard way.

My point is the addictive substance or activity while having similar mental and physical effects, is different to each person, since we are all different from different circumstances giving us a different POV You have to know yourself and your body... If you know you can handle it, go for it.  What drives me nuts is people applying their opinions as a rule for everyone else... You see this in AA or NA, because they can't handle it, and they don't actively think and assess themselves, they just think its bad, and tell everyone else it is too. KInda like religion (and religion can be another addiction), they push their beliefs of others, then chastise and judge those who don't share those beliefs... Veganism is another cult that comes to mind they go all kinds of crazy with that all or nothing thought process...

I think addiction is more mental, since that's my life story, but I've seen people with NO mental issues still suffer since physically their body can't handle it.  Again, depends on the person.

[politux]

Point of order, opiate withdrawal is very uncomfortable but not deadly. The only withdrawals that will kill you are alcohol and benzos.

[RodneyYouPlonker]

I would say that Crack Cocaine is very addictive.  If you have a taste of it then you are going to want it again and again.  It won't kill you unless you overdose but I would say it's highly addictive from the very first inhale of the stuff.  Possible to become unaddicted yes but can take literally years to get away from it, to successfully walk away as clean as a whistle you are talking years of your life before you can eventually really turn your life around and make your life a better place without the use of the Crack.

[LZA]

Point of order, opiate withdrawal is very uncomfortable but not deadly. The only withdrawals that will kill you are alcohol and benzos.

Agree. Those are the only 2 I can think of that can kill you by just trying to do nothing but withdrawal from them.

I would say that Crack Cocaine is very addictive.  If you have a taste of it then you are going to want it again and again.  It won't kill you unless you overdose but I would say it's highly addictive from the very first inhale of the stuff.  Possible to become unaddicted yes but can take literally years to get away from it, to successfully walk away as clean as a whistle you are talking years of your life before you can eventually really turn your life around and make your life a better place without the use of the Crack.

That's what I heard too. One hit and you can be off to the races. Even if you do it once in moderation you CAN get hardcore addicted to the point you'll do anything to get it. From people who have done it along with others say it's unparalleled to the overwhelming feeling of needing more once you try it... That and I heard it's a very short high is why I never bothered with that stuff...

[ill88eagle]

Point of order, opiate withdrawal is very uncomfortable but not deadly.  The only withdrawals that will kill you are alcohol and benzos.

Thank you!

@joew911: lrn2read

On topic: Natural opium is supposedly very nice. I've known girls who used it for their menstruation. Apparently poppy seeds contain small doses. Think about this next time you eat a bagel: consume enough poppy seeds and you wont pass a drug test!

[RodneyYouPlonker]

I would say that Crack Cocaine is very addictive.  If you have a taste of it then you are going to want it again and again.  It won't kill you unless you overdose but I would say it's highly addictive from the very first inhale of the stuff.  Possible to become unaddicted yes but can take literally years to get away from it, to successfully walk away as clean as a whistle you are talking years of your life before you can eventually really turn your life around and make your life a better place without the use of the Crack.

That's what I heard too. One hit and you can be off to the races. Even if you do it once in moderation you CAN get hardcore addicted to the point you'll do anything to get it. From people who have done it along with others say it's unparalleled to the overwhelming feeling of needing more once you try it... That and I heard it's a very short high is why I never bothered with that stuff...

Yes mate, that's right and I would say also that in most cases your very first hit of Crack is usually the greatest experience that you will have of the drug. Once you are then hooked on that experience and feel so comforted by it, you will do anything in order to try and match that same experience again. Something which you never will do. Like a lot of stuff, like your first Ecstasy pill, once you have the taste of it you just want it again and again but your very first try will always be the greatest of the lot. I guess when you take your brain chemistry right from the start and you subject it to the chemical is when you will go off your rocker the most in that experience. The high you achieve on your first attempt is so great you will always be searching for that feeling again and again for years after. To simply feel like you did do on your first hit, like your first LSD trip, your first inhale of Cannabis etc. etc... It is how the drug will get a hold of you, the addiction to want more and you find yourself going to the most seediest of places looking to score. Handing money over to people you don't really know who want you to do that regular. In the hope of finding your wonderful "high" once again. I guess like with a lot of things the more you get used to it, the more bored you will get eventually.

[ill88eagle]

You will never get bored with an addiction. But your body will get used to it. Your mind too. The later state is that of trying to maintain normality cause without the drug you are fucked up. You take some you are able to function again. Take coffee for instance. Once youre hooked you cant start your day without it. Then come 10am you need another one to keep going. There was a great 90ties scifi/horror movie with wesley snipes and rutger hauer in which the latter was addicted to coffee and chocolate. Its an awesome combo, got me through college. I later drank so much coffee I got ulcers. And I ate so much chocolate I got toothrot at the age of 23.

The raw ground cocoa bean is mostly harmless though, and a very effective antidepressant. Highly recommendable. I take it dissolved in hot water no sugar added. I guess you could sniff it too...