Ukraine Sending Anyone Near Protests Creepy Text Messages
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If you've paid attention to the news recently, you may be aware that there are some impressive protests going on in Ukraine, some of which have been met with violence by the Ukrainian government. I won't bore you with a comprehensive history lesson, but I think we may need a bit of context here.

Ukraine has gone through two revolutions in recent history, the first gaining independence with the fall of the Berlin wall and the second a mere decade ago when they threw out the subsequent government to try again. The reasons for the second were corruption on a near world record level and an economic system that was as stifled as it was depressed. Once under the thumb of the Soviet Union and all of its freedom-less trappings, ethnic Ukranians began leaning towards European ideals in the west of the country. Meanwhile, over in the eastern portion, ethnic Russians had settled areas where the USSR had displaced ethnic Ukranians, and the settlers retained more of a philosophical allegiance to their homeland. Since then, Ukraine has always been a battleground between Russia and Europe, particularly economically, with Russia tending to win out by strong-arming its neighbor through oil delivery prices and cancellations that virtually castrate Ukraine in the colder months.

The recent protests began when the current president, Victor Yanukovych, unilaterally torpedoed a broad trade agreement with the EU, one which had been in the works for years. Instead, Yanukovych bowed to Russia generally and Putin in particular, promising to build closer ties with the country's former master. Protesters protested, as they tend to do. But, rather than engage in a political process, or any true dialogue about the decision, Yanukovych's government has instead embraced the tactics of Middle Eastern nations that have since learned what happens when you attempt to stifle protest by fiat.
Quote:The controversial new protest laws have sparked concerns they could be used to put down demonstrations and deny people the right to free speech. They include provisions barring people from wearing helmets and masks to rallies, from setting up tents or sound equipment without prior police permission, and from traveling in convoys of more than five vehicles without authorization. A separate Interior Ministry order allowing riot police to use firearms came into force Tuesday, according to the official Ukrainian legislation website.
Meant to stifle protests, these laws have instead supercharged the revolutionary spirit of Ukranians, who remember all too well what it was like when they allowed themselves to be victims in a similar way. These laws have been tried elsewhere, including the banning of masks, and they generally don't work. Times have changed and you can't put the cat back in the bag. The more you try to re-impose old restrictions on a newly free people, the more backlash you're going to get.

Which is what will make the reaction to this latest tidbit about Ukranian intimidation so interesting. Buried in a story about the protests, we learn that the Ukrianian government has abandoned all pretense in its attempt to rule by fear.
Quote:The government’s opponents said three recent actions had been intended to incite the more radical protesters and sow doubt in the minds of moderates: the passing of laws last week circumscribing the right of public assembly, the blocking of a protest march past the Parliament building on Sunday and the sending of cellphone messages on Tuesday to people standing in the vicinity of the fighting that said, “Dear subscriber, you are registered as a participant in a mass disturbance.”

The phrasing of the message, about participating in a “mass disturbance,” echoed language in a new law making it a crime to participate in a protest deemed violent. The law took effect on Tuesday. And protesters were concerned that the government seemed to be using cutting-edge technology from the advertising industry to pinpoint people for political profiling.
In other words, it's as though the Ukranian government had already gotten part of the way through Orwell's collective works as a blueprint for how to set up a government and then picked up 1984. Big Brother, as it were, is watching you. Fortunately, not only will this not work in the long term, it isn't even working in the short term.
Quote:The messages appeared to have little effect. Three hours after they were sent, riot police officers pushed past barricades of burned buses at that site and were met by a crowd of protesters in ski masks and bicycle helmets, carrying sticks and ready to fight.
And it was insane to expect any other response. If you back a wounded animal into a corner and threaten it with a stick, expect the claws to be unleashed. And that's an entirely unfortunate state of affairs. With all the avenues for discourse available to us today, seeing what were peaceful protests descend into violence from both sides due strictly to the Orwellian tactics of a government is no longer acceptable. For that government to have so recently been liberated from a gone-nation that had likewise utilized those tactics is insane.

So, despite a lack of sufficient coverage from our major media, keep Ukraine in your mind as the citizens there fight and die for the freedom of speech, assembly and governance.

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#2
Isn't modern technology so very wonderful
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(Jan 22, 2014, 17:39 pm)Mike Wrote: “Dear subscriber, you are registered as a participant in a mass disturbance.”

i would call that message a clear and blatant warning as opposed to just creepy messages; but then again, if i were to participate in an unlawful protest against my government, i would never bring along any device that had the potential to broadcast my identity to the authorities.

as far as the other claimed 'orwellian' tactics go, it makes sense when you want to keep a mob civil. by banning face masks, helmets and weapons, you remove a person's sense of anonymity, protection and defensive/offensive capabilities.

the big ticket item are the masks. canada passed a law last year that leads to a 10 year sentence for anyone wearing a mask at a protest/riot. by making masks illegal, you are sending a message that people will be held accountable.

protests work like this: if the crowd (majority, intentionally disarmed by authority) remains peaceful, there is no reason for the authority (minority, intentionally armed heavily by themselves) to react with force. there are exceptions to this:

chinese tank variety: tanks have the right of way: the protester jumped in front of the tank.
chinese bullet variety: bullets have the right of way: the protester jumped in front of bullet.
israeli bulldozer variety: bulldozers have the right of way: the protester jumped in front of the bulldozer.
american law enforcement variety: authority has the right of way: the protester jumped in front of authority.
peta opinion variety: peta opinions have the right of way: the bystander jumped in front of peta's opinion.

and the list goes on and will continue to go on even now that the protests in the ukraine have resulted in two fatalities and likely several more injured at the hands of the police.
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#4
I say have a dead man switch cause you figure if the cops shoot the guy with the dead man switch you going to get blamed for killing people that you could have saved if you let them talk but that's my though then again if the whole lot has them then you can bet there going to be less police willing to shoot do to all the bombs that could send deadly fragments all over and cost billions of $$$$ in damage and on top of that your country is fucked cause you are the only people left and who knows you may have just killed off the last woman on the planet (so to speak)..
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#5
no thanks... i don't support terrorism. protesting is one thing, turning yourself into a bomb is just a more violent form of throwing a tantrum.

in fact, that's one of the most selfish things i've heard in a while. the police wouldn't be responsible for you exploding, you would since it was your idea to turn yourself into a bomb and placing innocent lives in danger just so you could get attention.

that's terrorism; a desperate cry for attention. it's weak.
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#6
well sorry if I think of the one of ways that gets peoples attention... but I mean really if these guys want a free government they need a voting system....
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