September 11, 2001: How did you do your research?

[stormium]

Eyewitnesses on the day...

eye witnesses are extremely unreliable which is why after a crime such as an armed robbery is committed, eye witnesses are not allowed to discuss what happened with anyone but investigators because their eye witness accounts change to match the eye witness accounts of others.

also, i sincerely doubt that anyone was just passing and, or had just happened to notice several floors of the wtc just collapsing and were able to automatically make the connection to coordinated explosive demolition charges. as for the firemen, the same applies... plus i doubt that they were able to see any such thing as they were either located around the base of the towers or around corners which would have blocked their view.

so, where were these eye witnesses witnessing from exactly?

What of the microscopic balls of molten iron found at ground zero? Iron melts at thousands of degrees centigrade, and to create microscopic balls (perfectly round) would require a force not supplied by gravity on Earth.

iron melts at 2,800 degrees fahrenheit.

steel melts at 1,510 degrees fahrenheit.

a vehicle fire in a steel reinforced concrete freeway tunnel can burn at 1,400 degrees fahrenheit while at vehicle fire involving gasoline can burn at 1,800 degrees fahrenheit.

as for perfectly round balls microscopic iron balls... it's impossible to make a perfectly round ball on earth because of the earth's gravity... which is why there were no perfectly round microscopic iron balls... especially if they were made of molten iron. microscopic molten balls of iron would have cooled in the air... which is exactly how they use to produce lead shot pellets... by dropping little bits of molten lead into the air and then catching them in water... it was called a shot tower.

as for precise temperatures... who knows. even in laboratory conditions, it's hard to figure out. just because we know the melting point of a metal, it does not mean we know how one will react once softened by high temperatures.

Who did it?
Who knows?

hmmm... thc has been known to cause paranoia.

[gcjm]

Is that the best you've got? Mere suppositions that eye witnesses weren't eye witnesses.

Apparently you haven't even watched the Naudet brothers film, as they follow a rookie NY fireman and just happen to be inside the world trade centres when the first tower collapses. Multiple firemen report visually witnessing the floors exploding out.

Then there are literally dozens of filmed recordings of the towers 'collapsing', try reviewing them.
Cameras make very damned good eye-witnesses.
sheesh.

All this fake discussion from the staff.. my willy warms.
You're all coming across as wittingly blind.

and then another ad hominem attack.. from another staff member.. thc indeed?
how sad you are.
you guys are the weakest mass-debaters

[doxallday]

1. Conveniently finding "passports" of supposed perpetrators amidst all of the hundreds of tons of rubble and dust; after "steel-melting" fires no less.
2. BBC reporting on WTC 7's collapse, although it is still erect and glossy (footage later "amended") behind the reporter giving account from NYC.
3. Pentagon getting "plane-dived" with no residue of the plane anywhere for the public or other open investigation to have a look at. Not to take anything from it, on the securest place on Earth to top it off.

I could list some more, but I think most get the point. A false-flag of this size was just begging to have mistakes; those who want to see, do, and those who don't like being fed whatever the MSM puts forth.

[CaptButler]

Charitably assuming that we are not being trolled here, I am calling "Bullshit."  These 9-11 conspiracy theories are all based upon, or are seeking to exploit, fundamentally ignorant notions of science as applied to construction or demolition work, with a dollop of added paranoia.  They seem to mainly center upon a whimsical conception of what "melting point" means.

Consider this:  does water instantly freeze solid when a temperature of 32 degrees F (0 C) is reached?  Of course not!   That temperature is the freezing point at which water begins to turn from a liquid to a solid.  In the same fashion, 2700 degrees (around 1500 C) is the temperature at which carbon steels begins
to melt, not when it actually liquefies.  Long before it does that, it will stretch and deform; losing its original structural integrity and strength.

How do I know this?  Because I have seen it happen right in front of me, that's how.  I used to do construction work where I was the ground man for a digger unit mounted on the back of a heavy-duty truck.  The unit used a large auger bit mounted to the end of a movable shaft, or "Kelly," to dig holes in the ground.  A number of teeth mounted on the bit did the actual digging as the bit rotated.  The teeth were made of a high-grade carbon steel with a tip made of a metal with an even higher melting point, usually tungsten.  When digging through a stone layer, it is not that unusual for some of the teeth to start to melt and drop their tungsten tips down into the hole.  That is why all digger units have a large water tank connected to a valve and hose right above the bit to keep the bit cooler and keep the melting down to a minimum.  More than once I have seen bits get so hot that the water completely vaporizes on contact.

It is entirely plausible that burning jet fuel from a plane could cause enough structural damage to the steel skeleton of a building to cause a chain reaction collapse reminiscent of a controlled explosive demolition.  In any such demo, gravity does most of the work.  The purpose of the individual explosive charges is to deform key bits of a building's skeleton, not to obliterate it.  That's why hundreds of charges are required to do the demo in such a way as to cause minimal lateral blow out and to have the debris come down at as close as possible to 0 degrees.  For structures as huge as the Twin Towers were, thousands of charges and hundreds of miles of demo cable would have been required for an controlled demo.  There are a tiny number of people with the required specialized knowledge and skills to properly rig such a demo, which in addition to the very expensive materials used is why it costs so damn much.  To expect that every single person involved in such nefarious scheme would have not only kept their silence, but also would have done all that work for months on end without arousing suspicion, is simply ludicrous.

In sum, in any contest between anti-scientific paranoid bullshit and the physical laws of the universe, the laws of the universe win out every single time.  Such laws may be discovered, but they cannot be altered, amended or repealed by human will, whimsy or prejudice.  Deal with it.

[collinwo]

i will say this. immediately after the attacks happend (within an hour of the attacks) america announced al quida was responsible. there was a plane shot down over syria last week and it took 2 weeks before it was determined isis was responsible..... also i live one state away from new york. one day after the attacks there were 6 THOUSAND people rioting in the new york streets over the explosions from the bottom of the towers. 6 THOUSAND PEOPLE RIOTING and this was never mentioned on the news. THIS WAS NEVER ONCE MENTIONED ON THE NEWS. because the news we have in america is complete bullshit that does not want you to know the truth.

no matter who did it or not. ask these 3 questions. how did we know it was al queda being led by osama bin laden minutes after the attack?

why did we announce war on iraq over 3 radicals performing a terrorist attack? (the 3 men who supposedly hijacked 2 747 jets, while armed with nothing but cell phones, and each flew them over 400 miles off course, and performed a 160 degree turn that only a professional pilot could perform, hitting each tower with pin point precision.) OH! they must have learned how to do this while raising goats in the desert and playing flight simulator in their spare time!

3. HOW THE MOTHER FUCK DID TOWER 7 JUST FALL DOWN? I GUESS IT JUST SAW ITS HOMIES FALL DOWN AND WANTED TO GO OUT WITH THEM.

[gcjm]

It is entirely plausible that burning jet fuel from a plane could cause enough structural damage to the steel skeleton of a building to cause a chain reaction collapse reminiscent of a controlled explosive demolition.

Says you... and none of the architects, underwriters, insurers of the three trade centres.

All steel used in construction is tested before building starts. In this case, Underwriters Laboratories baked the steel floor sections for hours on end at temperatures at least twice that seen on September 11th. The steel warped slightly, but not enough to cause any damage to the construction. The steel was passed by the underwriters. Fact.

No steel and concrete constructed building has EVER, in the history of human life on Earth, fallen due to fire. Fact.

But you know better.

In sum, in any contest between anti-scientific paranoid bullshit and the physical laws of the universe, the laws of the universe win out every single time.

And as I wrote in my first post, the falling of the buildings broke the primary laws of physics, the laws of motion.
Everything you use to back up your argument is mere assumption.

So yes, physics is truth and September 11th was a lie.

And it's funny you mention it because 'anti-scientific paranoid bullshit' is exactly how I would describe the 'Official Story'.
trolldat

[workerbee]

one day after the attacks there were 6 THOUSAND people rioting in the new york streets over the explosions from the bottom of the towers. 6 THOUSAND PEOPLE RIOTING and this was never mentioned on the news.

You're foaming at the mouth again, Mr. Trump.

If the mass "riot" wasn't mentioned in the news, how did you hear about it?  Cite the precise source.

[collinwo]

and your grasping at straws obama. i could post references to everything above but i highly doubt you would change your opinion. your obviously convinced everything the government says is true. it really doesnt matter to me either way what you believe. its easier to believe what you hear on the news than search for answers on your own. if you ever want to know the truth you can research on your own. until then, take the easier path. wont bother me a bit