September 11, 2001: How did you do your research?

[RobertX]

This conversation was sprung from the thread about the recent ISIS massacre on French soil.

What I "learned" was that the American government destroyed their own buildings in the September 11, 2001 massacre and started a "fake" war for supposedly oil profits.

I am beginning a new thread on the fears that ISIS attack thread would spiral out of control if I begged the issue on that thread, and I don't like being banned.

Most of the people who posted on that thread accused the American government that they destroyed the World Trade Centre along with the lives of the other people who died in that attack. Although newsmen say that al-Qaeda did that, some people would proclaim, as I already many times, the US Government did it.

Although I do not put it past the government for its capability to do such a thing, it is very easy to hatch conspiracy theories of such a thing.

My question, one of the many, is that if people "knew" what the Bush administration were doing, if the government was blowing up the World Trade Centre and other parts of the world, why didn't the people revolt? Why aren't the governments held responsible for it?

Another question: although I do intend to do my own research on the subject, I want to turn to you, the readers, to ask you how you came up with the theories/facts that hold truth of your claims. I'm not calling you liars, as I don't condemn the possibility of corruption at the highest levels; governments are made of people who have a wanting for power, and total power. But I want you to show me proof of your claims.

Let's make this an interesting conversation.

[Moe]

The US government can't even pass a budget on time, and people think they would have the ability to pull off 9/11 without anyone finding out?

That is complete bullshit, and anyone spouting it is an asshat.

Asshats have the right of free speech though, so have at it.

[dolly_cat]

Well, I will start by saying the fact that I don't know exactly who did it. I think nobody knows. But "Americans did it" makes more sense after me.

First of all, the entire American industry (well, not entirely but you get the point) is based on cheap oil which is being sell worldwide everywhere (even China buys oil from Americans ). Now that you know that, you'll understand it more easily: Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria have plenty of oil => they are the target of America. The Americans claim to come with peaceful thoughts but in fact, their target is the oil. Now, I don't blame the government! I would be an idiot to blame an entire government for what only a group of people does. I have no idea who controls all this shit (I am 100% sure that they are all Jewish) but I don't think the terrorists would initialize such an attempt; were wore those terrorists pilots trained? What, they wasted 5 years of their life to know how to pilot a plane only to blow themselves up? And dammit I have a new question: how the hell do we know that they were terrorists in the first place? What if the real pilots of the planes including their captains were working for CIA and they received that mission? (it's mostly unlikely, but still..)

And man.. After the attack, I quote from Wikipedia:

Suspicion for the attack quickly fell on al-Qaeda. The United States responded to the attacks by launching the War on Terror and invading Afghanistan to depose the Taliban, which had harbored al-Qaeda.

And from another source: http://www.javafilms.fr/spip.php?article1629

This is the unknown story of secret negotiations between the Taliban and America to build a pipeline through Afghanistan.

When America invaded Afghanistan in 2001, the stated aim was to dismantle Al-Qaeda, denying it a safe base of operations by removing the Taliban from power. But Al-Qaeda claimed that the attack on the Twin Towers was a response to the Bush administration’s threats to attack Afghanistan if its demands for pipeline rights were not met. According to sources, Taliban officials were told they could accept a ‘carpet of gold’ or a ‘carpet of bombs.’

What we know for sure is that in 1997, a delegation of Taliban officials visited Texas to discuss the possibility of a pipeline from Turkmenistan to Pakistan via Afghanistan. Negotiations continued for years and as late as July 2001, just months before 9/11, the Taliban again met with top US representatives. What happened during those talks remains a mystery but, as this film shows, the pipeline played a key role in shaping US - Afghanistan relations pre-9/11.

And the page Conspiracy Watch from Facebook (which was run by guys like Anonymous, and has been deleted a year ago by Facebook because it was "violating" FB's policy) also proved the fact that Osama Bin Laden, the leader of Al-Qaeda at that moment, has worked for the CIA.

So, the reason of the attempt: OIL
Terrorist attack? Most likely: faked/placed terrorist attack.

These are my arguments. This is my opinion. Perhaps I am a asshat but, just like Moe say:

Asshats have the right of free speech though

[notuboo]

Did the US Government do the attack, no. Was there knowledge within the Government, most likely.

What I base this on is some personal info and some common sense reasoning. I was one of 400k DoD employees shed through Al Gore's "Re-inventing the Government" initiative. This started in the early 90's and lasted several years, but it took several more years to have budgets in place for job cuts and countless studies for classifying jobs that were government in nature as opposed to jobs that can be contracted out.

In addition, the military was undergoing BRAC (Base Closure and Realignment Commission).  100+ posts and bases closed across the US with surprisingly little closure overseas done within the framework. The Army had plans to reduce down several divisions, several Air Force wings, even a couple of carrier groups. This was all common knowledge in the late 90's. But remember, it takes time to cut 100,000 army personnel from privates to Generals. Same applies to the other branches.

Now comes 2001, a new president, and guess what he is handed.....

Forget those cuts in military, we need to expand. Protect the "homeland".

Did GW know about this attack. I truly doubt it. Did upper brass in the Pentagon know, I can't say for sure, but I have a feeling they knew and stood back. They more than anyone knew the response and what the outcome would be. More money, more soldiers, more everything....

Look into Federal job cuts, who got the contracts for replacement workers of displaced Federal employees, and the BRAC process. This may give you a little insight on the political side of terrorism.

[gcjm]

Who did it?
Who knows?

What we can know is that the buildings were demolished using high grade explosives.
What we do know if we simply open our eyes is that the buildings were demolished using high grade explosives.

The National Institute for Standards and Technology (NIST) were the organisation tasked with demonstrating exactly how the three world trade centres fell; 'the official story' as it's known. They couldn't. But they tried, and changed a few known facts, then tried again, then altered physics and even then their results were far less than close to what we all can see on the video and eyewitness testimonies from the day tell us.
NIST no longer stand by their reports as to why the buildings fell. As such there is currently no longer an official story.

The Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth is compiled of over 1,500 professional Architects, Physics Professors and other professionals. Their main focus is the fall of the towers.
- The fall of the three world trade centre buildings on September 11th 2001 were the only examples of steel reinforced concrete structures falling due to fire (the official story) in the history of human existence on Earth. Something deemed impossible to happen by the insurers and underwriters. AND they all occured in the space of 8 hours in one square kilometer of ground. Coincidence?
- The fall of the three world trade centre buildings broke the first law of physics; every action has an equal and opposite reaction.
Q - A Juggernaut hits a Volkswagen Beetle at 100 mph, what happens?
A - The smaller vehicle will be destroyed.
Likewise, the smaller top sections of the world trade centres could not physically have crushed the entire larger (and much stronger reinforced) bottom sections of both buildings.
Basic physics.

Rescue workers stated the largest pieces of office equipment they found (the buildings were filled with hundreds of offices) were pieces the size of a telephone keypad. Were they crushed to pieces by the collapse of the upper sections?

Eyewitnesses on the day (multiple firemen and passers by) told cameras that they saw the floors below the crash zones explode outwards in a rolling set of explosions "pop, pop, pop, pop, just like a controlled demolition".
This can clearly be seen in several videos of the collapse.

What of the microscopic balls of molten iron found at ground zero? Iron melts at thousands of degrees centigrade, and to create microscopic balls (perfectly round) would require a force not supplied by gravity on Earth.

Oh and then there's the pure demolition of wtc7... dafuk

Architects and Engineers Video (condensed lectures):
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Unfortunately humans have been conditioned to absorb and accept news media as gospel-truth when it suits their basic needs, but not so much when it offends their life-choices. The roll out of the official story began less than 15 minutes after the first strike on September 11th. To suggest that all of those office workers, those firemen and police, the rescue workers, all those New Yorkers were murdered by anyone except Muslim Arabs apparently offends too many peoples common sense to ever be legitimately considered.

Who did it?
Who knows.
But those buildings were brought down by explosives.
Fact.
Watch the videos.. open your eyes.

edit:
in response to certain comments elsewhere, michael moore is a shill.

[Moe]

Explosives planted by ninjas, right? Because no one working there would have noticed that, and ninjas never leak what they do for media glory.

[gcjm]

why comment if you haven't done source research?
your cynicism comes off as uninformed bufoonery, as in a working class tavern.

Yes, people did notice.
'Maintenance' work was performed on the elevator shafts (allowing access to the central steel core columns), maintenance and 'telecommunications re-cabling' was performed throughout several vacant floors and the entire security system of the wtc buildings were shut off (unprecedented) in the weeks prior to the collapses.
This is all well documented in several legitimate and official sources.

Remember the 1993 bomb explosions in the wtc buildings basement garage?
The fbi had a man on the inside of that operation and refused to prevent the attack.
Shit is possible if there's a will.

Check at least some facts before you retort with mocking foolishness.
I've been researching for fourteen years, you've got some catching up to do, I guess.
squeegee that third eye, if you have one.

[᠎]

By "source research" you don't of course mean that you actually visited the site, in person, on the day, collected physical evidence, examined it in a laboratory yourself; and have the years of education and experience necessary to be able to accurately interpret the results to determine the root cause of what (whichever way you look at it) was a massively chaos-filled "crime scene".

What you mean is that you have read papers and watched videos written by other people who weren't there who claim that they don't believe the claims made by other people who also weren't there.

And, since their story fits your preconceived notions of what sort of people run America, you not only believe it but consider it to be conclusive "source research".

Yeah, right.

It's all just faith, yours no more nor less than those who believe "the terrorists" did it, or that aliens did it. You don't "know" shit. Neither do I, but at least I don't try to fool anyone else let alone myself.

[gcjm]

ad hominem and straw man attacks.
no wonder nobody posts any more.

I stand 100% by what I wrote, in response to OP's choice of topic. Try reading it.

edit:
here's your starter source for free >
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/ht...ll_01.html

ciao

[Moe]

You're right, that is mocking foolishness.

This isn't Ocean's 9/11.

You don't just walk into two 110 floor buildings, plant some explosives, and walk out.  The kind of planning and execution involved to "fake" something like this involves way too many people to keep it a secret.  By now someone would have come forward with something other than a YouTube video about what they overheard in a bar one night.