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No, I doubt you would be surprised - Fanactics and ignorants are just so, and maybe they're right and we're wrong in the end.
I would be surprised if you don't know that. But you're a provocative contester of the status and like Dom Quixote, you spend your time charging windmills.
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Feb 17, 2018, 10:25 am
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Ashley,
just because 4 idiots believe something, doesn't make it true. Neither does a billion idiots believing something make that thing true. Both are examples of ignorance.
No intelligent person can say there is a god, and no intelligent person can say there is no god. And most certainly no one can say that because one believes one over the other, that they are more or less intelligent than the other, since both of them are fucking retarded.
Is god real? No one knows. No one ever will. That's it. That's the truth. You can believe god is real or not, but if you think you know the truth, you are a fool.
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Feb 17, 2018, 14:31 pm
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(Feb 17, 2018, 10:25 am)joew771 Wrote: Ashley,
just because 4 idiots believe something, doesn't make it true. Neither does a billion idiots believing something make that thing true. Both are examples of ingorance.
No intelligent person can say there is a god, and no intelligent person can say there is no god. And most certainly no one can say that because one believes one over the other, that they are more or less intelligent than the other, since both of them are fucking retarded.
Is god real? No one knows. No one ever will. That's it. That's the truth. You can believe god is real or not, but if you think you know the truth, you are a fool.
Pretty much the thoughts I was trying to convey as well.
Looking at anything scientifically, if you are able to say either yes or no to anything, that means you must know ALL the facts and are able to make a determination off of those facts. That's why If I have to put myself into a bucket, that would be the agnostic bucket... It's impossible to know, since there are facts out there that we are not made aware of. Think of all the new things that we'll know in the next 5 years that we don't know now. and I've always said: True intelligence starts with the admission that you don't know anything. Even things you know for certain today can change tomorrow.
Knowing this, I'd like to believe what gives me the most personal comfort, which is why i'm more spiritual in nature...Too depressing to think it all ends at the end of this physical existence...
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After careful consideration of subject and great posts...
I believe the key isn't intelligent people being agnostic but more open to reason. Also, being more pragmatic, skeptic, isn't related to intelligence but to culture. The way we learn to think and the context of generally accepted beliefs - Can't be a person without others. So is common idea intelligent people are lonely, but not real; divergent people are. Just intelligent and open minded people usually divert from what and how we all are trained to think.
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(Feb 18, 2018, 12:45 pm)dueda Wrote: After careful consideration of subject and great posts...
I believe the key isn't intelligent people being agnostic but more open to reason. Also, being more pragmatic, skeptic, isn't related to intelligence but to culture. The way we learn to think and the context of generally accepted beliefs - Can't be a person without others. So is common idea intelligent people are lonely, but not real; divergent people are. Just intelligent and open minded people usually divert from what and how we all are trained to think.
Thanks, kinda what I was trying to say when Intelligence and stupidity are not as much who people are, but how they act.
For the most part, people aren't intelligent or stupid, but they have STRENGTHS and WEAKNESSES in certain things. They way they go about correcting their weaknesses is either Intelligently or unintelligent.
You can tell those 4 in Politux's video are smart guys... They were open to all ideas, but thats the place they landed on... They did not immediately refuse the other sides stances.
That's the purpose of the topic.. Generally speaking, atheists are more open to reason than religious people are, as they can think more critically... Again, we determined that there are extremes on both sides, but I believe this is true as a general statement
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Feb 18, 2018, 20:38 pm
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Skepticism is healthy. Blind belief in anything is stupid. Perhaps there is a tendency among atheist people to doubt. But to be atheist is to ignore. I can grow a fat belly like gh0ster and imagine my dick dont exist but that dont make it go away. Human beings are inherrently spiritual the same way they are inherently rational, emotional and sexual etc. Pretending a part of you is not real makes you ignorant
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(Feb 18, 2018, 20:38 pm)ill88eagle Wrote: Skepticism is healthy. Blind belief in anything is stupid. Perhaps there is a tendency among atheist people to doubt. But to be atheist is to ignore. I can grow a fat belly like gh0ster and imagine my dick dont exist but that dont make it go away. Human beings are inherrently spiritual the same way they are inherently rational, emotional and sexual etc. Pretending a part of you is not real makes you ignorant
That's why I'm safest in saying that "I don't know". People who don't have a healthy skepticism/questioning of things on either side who don't want to feel that they are not smart have a hard time barfing up those words... In truth, saying "I don't know" IMO is one of the healthiest,smartest things you can say...Instead of doing that, they will shut their eyes and believe in whatever to avoid that there is something that escapes them, and they may not be smart enough to know how to question.
Again, I believe its the process.. If you did your due diligence on either side (religion or atheism), and are happy in your heart with your findings, then I can't judge you... As per the article, religious people just tend to believe what they are told (do it because I said so), and atheists are fact checkers... After my battle with religion and atheism, I knew being agnostic for me was the sensible way to go. there are parts that we just can't know since I simply don;t have all the facts... and I'm not ashamed to say I don't know everything about it to chose either or, so I'm keeping my mind open. If I was to give any advice is no matter where you are on the spectrum, keep an open mind...
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Atheists are fools, and the researchers are idiots, lab being run by corporations who hide the truth of their folly. There is hell for you.
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Feb 24, 2018, 23:59 pm
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(Feb 24, 2018, 21:42 pm)Future Wrote: Atheists are fools, and the researchers are idiots, lab being run by corporations who hide the truth of their folly. There is hell for you.
How can the researchers be fools? They admit they are lacking in knowledge, and are making a good faith effort to uncover what they don't know... It's the people who don't know yet don't make a quest to find out that are the fools... I'm not sure how I would make the blanket statement that there is hell for atheists just because they believe differently than you... In the other posts, you say you don't really believe in religion since its a man made tool to teach right and wrong, but it sounds like you are preaching religion.
Religion is a dogmatic way of thinking, so couldn't atheism be considered a religion (a tool to teach right and wrong), and as insignificant as the other organized religions out there??
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Feb 25, 2018, 07:22 am
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"Atheists are more intelligent than religious people, finds study."
This sums up the whole "Atheist" crap they have in their minds.
They think they are smarter from people who believe in gods, but they are stupid enough to not distinguish between believes and wisdom, both are separate things.
I don't believe in any God, And I don't believe I am smarter from someone who believe in one. That's just disrespectful, arrogant, selfish, you name it. I call it "Stupid".
They don't understand that some people just feel better with religion, what's wrong with feeling better ? Let them believe in anything they want.
That is to the point where they force you to believe/disbelief.
Always reminds me of Vegans with their ideology of what life suppose to look like, food fascists.
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