Atheists are more intelligent than religious people, finds study.
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(Feb 24, 2018, 21:42 pm)Future Wrote: Atheists are fools, and the researchers are idiots, lab being run by corporations who hide the truth of their folly. There is hell for you.

Not all researchers are funded, and this is more a philosofical problem than a laboratory case, as we lack metaphisic/supernatural tools.
Marx, for one, couldn't even find a job for the "big corporations" blacklisted him and no university would hire a man with such ideas.

Most religions are incompatible; then, if one only is the truth and all others wrong, wich one is the right one?

Hell, I believe, is here and now. This world sucks, and even that varies to time and place and individual opinion.
Following such logic, what is salvation and what for? Can't we be happy here? If not, such deity failed somehow?
There have been many debates about the matter - Theory: God is the source of everything, so He crated evil.

In the end, not much valuable information lately.
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#42
Einstein once said that intelligence is the ability toovercome childhood beliefs and prejudices.

That about sums it up.

If a person's belief system mirrors that of their parents, it does not mean its *wrong*, but it does mean a general lack of the intelligence to manage their own set of values.

Intelligence means the ability to break away from the 'containerized' and schizophrenic world views plaguing our world.
Like a 'loving god' that demands human sacrifice of his own 'son'. And the idea that 3=1.
The application of the simple logic of the syllogism to cosmological principles.

Just look up in the night sky, and if what you see is explainable by your belief system (assuming it is post-copernican) - then that is a good first step.
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#43
(Feb 27, 2018, 20:10 pm)spikemite Wrote: Einstein once said that intelligence is the ability toovercome childhood beliefs and prejudices.

That about sums it up.

If a person's belief system mirrors that of their parents, it does not mean its *wrong*, but it does mean a general lack of the intelligence to manage their own set of values.

Correct but not exactly, it sounds more like maturity than intelligence to me. Of course, they're interdependent; but - if I got it right:

Intelligence alone is the ability to solve problems. "A genius find simple solutions to problems others find complex/impossible" (source?).

Also, a person's own propositions and conclusions may collide with their parents' - It happens...
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#44
Don't tell me Santa is not real...
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#45
(Feb 28, 2018, 05:07 am)Mr.Masami Wrote: Don't tell me Santa is not real...

Doesn't matter, pal. All we'll ever get is that coal piece... Big Grin

Jokes aside, religious debate amongst pirates is ambiguity or incoherency? How does that relate to intelligence and atheism?
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#46
(Feb 28, 2018, 09:16 am)dueda Wrote: Jokes aside, religious debate amongst pirates is ambiguity or incoherency? How does that relate to intelligence and atheism?

I think that's part of the point of the study. Atheists and spiritual people are more open minded to a debate, and can change their minds if they hear something that makes sense.

Most religious people in the stereotype I think of will have a debate, but only to prove you wrong. They are close minded god warriors that are not willing to hear anything aside from what they have learned from their respective religious book. Their close mindedness makes them less intelligent.
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(Feb 28, 2018, 10:38 am)LZA Wrote: Their close mindedness makes them less intelligent.

If the path to reason is blocked by imutable principles, yes, those individuals can't learn nor evolve.
But considering context, diverging can have penalties - Galileo, for example - So tagging along would be intelligent.
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(Feb 28, 2018, 10:38 am)LZA Wrote:
(Feb 28, 2018, 09:16 am)dueda Wrote: Jokes aside, religious debate amongst pirates is ambiguity or incoherency? How does that relate to intelligence and atheism?

I think that's part of the point of the study. Atheists and spiritual people are more open minded to a debate, and can change their minds if they hear something that makes sense.

Most religious people in the stereotype I think of will have a debate, but only to prove you wrong. They are close minded god warriors that are not willing to hear anything aside from what they have learned from their respective religious book. Their close mindedness makes them less intelligent.

I've never met, or even heard of an athiest that suddenly became religious or even agnostic, due to a debate, or anything else for that matter. Athiests are usually more closed minded than religious people. Athiests believe there is no god, and they can't be swayed. Some religious people are locked into one religion, but many are open to the concept of a 'god' and understand that people of differing religions may not all be at odds with each other, and accept 'god' as a more abstract concept, and are more tolerant, and therefore more intelligent, imho, than most athiests.
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(Mar 01, 2018, 04:08 am)joew771 Wrote: I've never met, or even heard of an athiest that suddenly became religious or even agnostic, due to a debate, or anything else for that matter. Athiests are usually more closed minded than religious people. Athiests believe there is no god, and they can't be swayed. Some religious people are locked into one religion, but many are open to the concept of a 'god' and understand that people of differing religions may not all be at odds with each other, and accept 'god' as a more abstract concept, and are more tolerant, and therefore more intelligent, imho, than most athiests.

I agree that most of them have blind folds and don't want to hear anything about gods.

First of, what is God ? God can be anything, independent(not entirely) of different religions, it is something that created all we see.

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We could say "Big Bang" created us and there for it is God.

Just a morning thought.

I think the most reasonable thing is to praise the sun, it gives life on earth and we can see it.
This is what people in my country have been believing from the stories I've heard, before the cross-dictators came and destroyed all the history of it.
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#50
(Mar 01, 2018, 04:08 am)joew771 Wrote: I've never met, or even heard of an athiest that suddenly became religious or even agnostic, due to a debate, or anything else for that matter.

Fallen and lost people for example; as people suffer from shortcommings or their own mistakes, they are prone to seek guidance or relief in religion.
One thing is certain: Following brainwashing-like spells is stupid (baaaah). But that's the intelligent vs. pragmatic question.

(Mar 01, 2018, 06:25 am)Mr.Masami Wrote: I agree that most of them have blind folds and don't want to hear anything about gods.

First of, what is God ? God can be anything, independent(not entirely) of different religions, it is something that created all we see.
I think the most reasonable thing is to praise the sun, it gives life on earth and we can see it.

Absurd/primitives apart (like Phallus), we can't solve the supernatural. In fact dicks give us life, but I won't cult mine or anyone's while some places people do it.
Einstein had some toughts on before the big bang and outside our universe, thus believing in some "power" beyond all we could understand (at the time).
He wouldn't qualify as atheist, just couldn't find that in any religion he knew of.

About the Sun God, you know that more than a dozen religions, christianism included, refer to the solstice and repeat many concepts and even speechs, right?

Anyway, it is not much intelligent to keep on, I guess.
Believing in [whatever explains what is beyond beyond] is sound, as it is not to: 0 = 0 problem.
Believing in religions, or politics, or [the latest smartphone, etc], is pretty stupid. Most paleo-antropologic behavior. 2 + 2 = (-3/17 and "Mickey") kinda.
Well, I learned a new thing that I already knew!
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