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(Feb 01, 2018, 23:18 pm)contrail Wrote: Well I found https://8values.github.io/index.html so maybe you might be able to see the results and then judge firsthand.
Another thing to add is that being atheist helps you maintain a more diverse set of ideals and acceptance.
I find atheists to be rather unaccepting when it comes to alternative ontologies. In fact most of them, I find to be at least as dogmatic and intollerant as religious people.
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(Feb 02, 2018, 05:59 am)ill88eagle Wrote: I find atheists to be rather unaccepting when it comes to alternative ontologies. In fact most of them, I find to be at least as dogmatic and intollerant as religious people.
Atheism has no content. It's simply a matter of not being convinced by dogma. So your comment is absurd.
(Feb 02, 2018, 05:10 am)killa1986 Wrote: Hitler for Protestants.
Hitler was a Roman Catholic. The first treaty he signed was with the Vatican. And the SS had "God is on our side" printed on their belts.
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(Feb 03, 2018, 07:52 am)politux Wrote: (Feb 02, 2018, 05:59 am)ill88eagle Wrote: I find atheists to be rather unaccepting when it comes to alternative ontologies. In fact most of them, I find to be at least as dogmatic and intollerant as religious people.
Atheism has no content. It's simply a matter of not being convinced by dogma. So your comment is absurd.
I think it's the mindset of not wanting to waiver from the beliefs, not from the actual validity of the beliefs themselves.
I mean, you can't tell a religious person anything, since they believe intuitively that god exists. Atheists know he doesn't from the absence of proof. They are both so rigid in their stances that no one from either side will budge... I believe that that's the point ill88Eagle was trying to make. They are both the same type of person on different sides of the thought spectrum.
I consider myself an agnostic, since I truly just don't know. I have a spiritual belief system in something else existing for us when we die, but i'm not sure how that goes since i'm not at that dimension yet. What I can bet on, is that it's NOTHING like how it's described in any religious text...
Maybe the study is really indicating that if religious people are smart, they are not using their intelligence in replace for a faith based belief... Intelligence comes from knowing facts, which atheists tend to consult. Also, atheists are out of the box thinkers who need proof for themselves (for the most part),, while religion is bred into people from other people telling them... I think that if you can come to believe Santa is not real, organized religion and god as it's written there is not real either... They are choosing to still believe Santa exists, because they are choosing not to use their rationale...
I tried to explain my vision of it before, but again, it's all my opinion. I believe in science and the fact based thought process atheists use to solve problems. Knowing this, I know there are things I just can't know. I do have a faith that something exists, that has just not have been able to be proven now. Just because I can't see it, doesn't mean it isn't there... Scientific thinker can agree with that as well.
If you disagree with me, I can say "see, I really don't know either, you may be right", which makes me never wrong. So in reality, and agnostic person is more intelligent than a religious person OR an atheist, since they know that they don't know, and don;t deal with absolute theories.
Everyone should be more agnostic in their thinking.... Everyone should think more like me.
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(Feb 03, 2018, 07:52 am)politux Wrote: (Feb 02, 2018, 05:59 am)ill88eagle Wrote: I find atheists to be rather unaccepting when it comes to alternative ontologies. In fact most of them, I find to be at least as dogmatic and intollerant as religious people.
Atheism has no content. It's simply a matter of not being convinced by dogma. So your comment is absurd.
(Feb 02, 2018, 05:10 am)killa1986 Wrote: Hitler for Protestants.
Hitler was a Roman Catholic. The first treaty he signed was with the Vatican. And the SS had "God is on our side" printed on their belts.
And both Stalin and Mao were atheists-What does that proove?
Atheism is an anti spirtual stance, that mostly comes in hysterically stubborn and at times extremely aggressive shitflinging. They aint got nothing to feel better than religious people about when it comes to that. And there is nothing particularly intelligent about it either. Its NO U ad nauseum. Refer to LZA's post for elaboration on the subject.
Also shouting IM SMARTER THAN U CUZ MUH SCIENCE SAYS SO is comparable to kindergarden level of social interaction and communication.
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(Feb 10, 2018, 16:06 pm)ill88eagle Wrote: And both Stalin and Mao were atheists-What does that proove?
Absolutely nothing because atheism has no content and they didn't do what they did because of it.
(Feb 10, 2018, 16:06 pm)ill88eagle Wrote: Atheism is an anti spirtual stance,
No it is simply a matter of not being convinced by doctrine that is without evidence. But haven't we been over this already?
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Feb 10, 2018, 16:12 pm
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(Feb 10, 2018, 16:08 pm)politux Wrote: (Feb 10, 2018, 16:06 pm)ill88eagle Wrote: And both Stalin and Mao were atheists-What does that proove?
Absolutely nothing because atheism has no content and they didn't do what they did because of it.
(Feb 10, 2018, 16:06 pm)ill88eagle Wrote: Atheism is an anti spirtual stance,
No it is simply a matter of not being convinced by doctrine that is without evidence. But haven't we been over this already?
My point is that your hitler argument is a logical fallacy. And its rather simple to see through. So much for atheist intellingense
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It wasn't a "hitler argument" it was a historical fact. I didn't say he did what he did because he was a Catholic.
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(Feb 10, 2018, 16:51 pm)politux Wrote: It wasn't a "hitler argument" it was a historical fact. I didn't say he did what he did because he was a Catholic.
Aha, so where is the scientifically prooveable causality in your copypasta of statistic postulates? Refer to my first post in this thread. When doing medical studies you you use doubble blind control groups and actual science to proove shit. If not so it is condemmed as pseudo science. But statistics can get away with any kind of bullshit just because why? You claim to be a rational guy... Heres a sound advice, civilized man to man: read up on scientific theory and statistics.
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(Feb 03, 2018, 07:52 am)politux Wrote: Atheism has no content. It's simply a matter of not being convinced by dogma. So your comment is absurd.
That is an ignorant comment.
Athiesm has an equal amount of dogma as any religion.
There is no proof that there is or isn't a god. So anyone who says there is, is a fool, and anyone who says there isn't, is just as much a fool.
Athiests are in a way almost stupider than religious people, when you think about it.
What if the religious person is right, no matter the religion? If you bellieve in that religion, then you win, and go to heaven or whatever it happens to be. If it isn't real in any way, then nothing happens.
If you are an athiest, it doesn't matter what is true, you die and go into the infinite oblivion that you were in before you were born, no matter what.
So it can't really hurt to believe in something.
But like I said, both are equally incorrect. Or correct. They are the same.
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