Wow what a speach! (Climate change)

[soulcity]

Wake up, Grow up, And Shut Up!!

To today's youth protesting climate change.
You're the 1st generation that required air conditioning in every classroom. 

You want TV in every room and your classes are all computerized.  You spend all day and night on electronic devices.  More than ever you don't walk or ride bicycles to school but you arrive in caravans of private cars that choke suburban roads and worse in rush hour traffic. 

You're the biggest consumers of manufactured goods ever and update perfectly good luxury items to stay "trendy." 

Your entertainment comes from electric devices.  Furthermore the people driving your protests are the same people artificially inflating the population growth through immigration which increases the need for energy, manufacturing and transport.  The more people we have the more forest and bush land we clear. - The more of the environment is destroyed.

How about this?

• Tell your teachers to switch off the air conditioning.
  
• Walk or ride a bicycle to school.
  
• Switch off your devices and read a book.
  
• Make a sandwich instead of buying manufactured fast food.
  

But none of this will happen, because...

You're selfish, badly educated, virtue signaling little turds that are inspired by the adults around you who crave having a feeling of having a noble cause while they indulge themselves in western luxury and an unprecedented quality of life.

Wake up... Grow up... and Shut up until you're sure of the facts before protesting

https://truepundit.com/watch-wake-up-gro...ange-kids/

[urretado]

Nice strawman argument there. What does that have to do with climate change, btw?

[soulcity]

Nice strawman argument there.

How so?

[ill88eagle]

Never mind the bollocks. We are facing real imminent global meltdown. The scientists of the 70ties dubbed their worst case scenario business as usual, and figured we'd reach the tipping point around mid 2030ties. But hey, we sped it up and now it looks like we can say bye bye to the world as we know it in 5 years.

And all the while, instead of doing anything about it, we are busy discussing Greta and what the fuck?

Good riddance...

[RobertX]

Should we stop using the Internet?

EDIT: It's spelled "speech" by the way.

[soulcity]

Never mind the bollocks. We are facing real imminent global meltdown. The scientists of the 70ties dubbed their worst case scenario business as usual, and figured we'd reach the tipping point around mid 2030ties. But hey, we sped it up and now it looks like we can say bye bye to the world as we know it in 5 years.

And all the while, instead of doing anything about it, we are busy discussing Greta and what the fuck?

Good riddance...

Well my personal opinion...

Politicians take a little bit of truth and then they blow it up to a catastrophic "we're-all-going-to-die" emergency.   
However we should be less lazy and more responsible with the crap we create and throw out.

Should we stop using the Internet?

Now let me tell you about my opinion is on "green technology."   

I hang my laundry on a clothesline in my backyard.   Not only is it zero emissions and solar and wind powered but my clothes smell wonderful when they're dry.   - Sorry but that's seriously GREEN TECHNOLOGY.  

This summer I won one of the storage locker auctions and one of the things I took home is a 65 year old wringer washing machine.    I absolutely fucking adore it!
It can do 3Xs as many clothes per load...  AND

* I start by doing my whites with bleach and hot water.  
* Then when most of the "kick" is taken out of the bleach and the hot water I do my 2nd load of laundry which is my mixed colors.
* Finally I can do a 3rd load of just darks.

So it's 3Xs as many clothes per load than a modern washing machine and I can do 3 loads with the same washing water and soap.   - Now this is incredibly efficient Technology

EDIT: It's spelled "speech" by the way.

LOL.... I've been making the same spelling mistake since I was 8.

[RobertX]

My mother does the same thing about our clothes. She washes it in our bathtub and hangs the clothes out to dry in the balcony.

I do have respect for your opinions, soulcity. It's time we start, or least start to start.

[waregim]

The interesting thing is that the co-founder of the Green Movement is a climate change *denier*. He says is all political bullshit used by the korporations to fleece the public into making big banks rich by selling 'carbon credits'.

The evidence is strongly on his side.

Unfortunately, most of it is presented by the alt-right. Which is sadly the only place for critical thinking these days. When knuckle-dragging teabaggers have come to represent intellectual achievement, you know the world has gone to hell.

The argument is that Co2 emissions have historically lagged global warming, which is cyclical, and tracks with solar activity, which has a much greater influence on cloud formation and weather patterns, especially as water vapor is the ultimate sequestering agent for infrared absorprion, dozens of times greater than CO2. And thousands of time greater in concentration.

And also that the computer simulations only factor in CO2 as the main variable, effectively ignoring everything else. Including that fact that actual global warming has flatlined for over a decade. Which is why Global Warming has officially been replaced by Climate Change.

Personally I think that climate chane is real, but driven more by deforestation, and ocean acidification, which whould devolve C02 in enormous quantities. At one time there was no oxygen in our atmosphere, it was all Co2. But the advent of life changed that, and a healthy ecosystem would absorb any excess CO2. A sick ecosystem would se it increasing, regardless of human fuel emissions.

But if the very real solar minimum continues, like the Maunder Minimum of the middle ages, then we are headed for a 'little ice age' and any type pf global warming would actually be needed to offset it.

The peculair thing is that the solar minimum would also indirectly increase vulcanism, which would expel thousands of times more CO2 than fuel consumption!

Limiting carbon emissions at this point is stupid. It is already limited by increasing scarcity of petroleum. Peak Oil is here. The Saudi light oil is now reuiring enourmous amounts of salt water to flush it into wellheads, and fracking quickly depletes its reserves, as it is yanking oil out of solid rock, which is quite expensive, and the fracking industry is essentially running on venture capital and investor debt.

The Venezuelan oil is thick gooey crap, and useless unless mixed with the fracking crap (light lighter fluid junk) to make something uself for refineries.
Which is why our Deep State wants Maduro out.

While politicians thrive on FUD, which keeps the populace too distracted to go for the pitchforks and torches, the time will come when the capitalist system collapses under its own scams. The real scary part is that as time goes by, the more Trotsky seems to make sense.

I have a German medallion from the thirties. A commemoration with a swastika and the hammer and sickle. From time of political chaos when the world was in an economic tailspin. Oddly the financial section of the newspapers then read alot like the financial sites of today.....

The only thing needed is a midwest drought.
Along with Dorothy and Toto.

And perhaps a Chump/Pooh 'pact' to divide up, say, Canada?

[ill88eagle]

The real scary part is that as time goes by, the more Trotsky seems to make sense.

Trotsky always made sense to me, but hey, I'm an old radical fart.

Deforrestation is one of the biggest problems we are facing. We can do just fine without oil. Living doesn't require fast cars, air condition nor gas cookers. And this can not be repeated enough: there is enough food on this planet to feed EVERYBODY sustainably so!

[Headbanger]

How about this?

• Tell your teachers to switch off the air conditioning.
  
• Walk or ride a bicycle to school.
  
• Switch off your devices and read a book.
  
• Make a sandwich instead of buying manufactured fast food.
  

While the notion of individuals taking responsibility for global issues sounds nice up front, the practical reality is that personal home decisions by individual consumers, even on a collective scale, are dwarfed by the individual industrial, transportation, and electricity generation footprint.



A combination of minimizing the carbon imprint from the electricity production (via nuclear, solar, and wind), and a subsequent adoption of electric vehicles would do far more than any feasible domestic choices added together.

Nice strawman argument there.

How so?

The logic and underscoring reasoning may be bad, but it is not a strawman.

Edit: Thought about it some more. A strawman is when the arguer attacks a weaker argument as grounds for his own conclusion. In this case, its not a strawman because it does not address any formal conclusion. It is, however, a worthless piece of drivel with very little factual basis, but generally maintaining an insulting and unmerited accusatory tone. If I were to ascribe some kind of conclusion from it, I think it would be fair to say the author thinks that the carbon footprint of humdrum domestic daily life is somehow a more viable target for emissions curbing than the other sectors contributing to carbon emissions, which is wrong. So the nature of the argument would be analogous to "Gee, a chainsaw is cutting off my hand, and there is a thorn in my finger. Better get rid of the thorn."

The interesting thing is that the co-founder of the Green Movement is a climate change *denier*. He says is all political bullshit used by the korporations to fleece the public into making big banks rich by selling 'carbon credits'.

The evidence is strongly on his side.
https://skepticalscience.com/global-warm...sensus.htm

Unfortunately, most of it is presented by the alt-right. Which is sadly the only place for critical thinking these days. When knuckle-dragging teabaggers have come to represent intellectual achievement, you know the world has gone to hell.

The argument is that Co2 emissions have historically lagged global warming,
https://skepticalscience.com/warming-co2-rise.htm
which is cyclical
https://skepticalscience.com/global-warm...-cycle.htm
, and tracks with solar activity, which has a much greater influence on cloud formation and weather patterns, especially as water vapor is the ultimate sequestering agent for infrared absorprion, dozens of times greater than CO2. And thousands of time greater in concentration.
https://skepticalscience.com/solar-cycle...arming.htm

And also that the computer simulations only factor in CO2 as the main variable, effectively ignoring everything else. Including that fact that actual global warming has flatlined for over a decade.
https://skepticalscience.com/global-cool...y-2008.htm
Which is why Global Warming has officially been replaced by Climate Change.
https://skepticalscience.com/climate-cha...arming.htm


Personally I think that climate chane is real, but driven more by deforestation,and ocean acidification, which whould devolve C02 in enormous quantities. At one time there was no oxygen in our atmosphere, it was all Co2. But the advent of life changed that, and a healthy ecosystem would absorb any excess CO2. A sick ecosystem would se it increasing, regardless of human fuel emissions.


But if the very real solar minimum continues, like the Maunder Minimum of the middle ages, then we are headed for a 'little ice age' and any type pf global warming would actually be needed to offset it.
https://skepticalscience.com/heading-int...ce-age.htm

The peculair thing is that the solar minimum would also indirectly increase vulcanism, which would expel thousands of times more CO2 than fuel consumption!
https://skepticalscience.com/volcanoes-a...arming.htm

Limiting carbon emissions at this point is stupid. It is already limited by increasing scarcity of petroleum. Peak Oil is here. The Saudi light oil is now reuiring enourmous amounts of salt water to flush it into wellheads, and fracking quickly depletes its reserves, as it is yanking oil out of solid rock, which is quite expensive, and the fracking industry is essentially running on venture capital and investor debt.

The Venezuelan oil is thick gooey crap, and useless unless mixed with the fracking crap (light lighter fluid junk) to make something uself for refineries.
Which is why our Deep State wants Maduro out.

While politicians thrive on FUD, which keeps the populace too distracted to go for the pitchforks and torches, the time will come when the capitalist system collapses under its own scams. The real scary part is that as time goes by, the more Trotsky seems to make sense.

I have a German medallion from the thirties. A commemoration with a swastika and the hammer and sickle. From time of political chaos when the world was in an economic tailspin. Oddly the financial section of the newspapers then read alot like the financial sites of today..... 

The only thing needed is a midwest drought.
Along with Dorothy and Toto.

And perhaps a Chump/Pooh 'pact' to divide up, say, Canada?

I think you need to let your tin foil hat air out. You completely missed an opportunity to mention that NASA faked the moon landing to cover up the fact that the Earth was flat, and that the Jews did 9/11 to prevent the truth from leaking out.

Refutation links to some of the PRATT you posted.

Also, when did people start thinking that thinking whether or not global warming is occurring is a matter of personal opinion rather than a fact? It is not an opinion. Thinking burgers are better than steaks is an opinion. Thinking blue is the best color is an opinion. Global warming is a matter of objective and empirical determination. It makes as much sense as saying that, in your opinion, 1 + 1 = 3. Global warming denial is not an opinion, it is a belief contraindicated by mounds of high quality evidence.

Edit: Another point I find odd (in reference to OP), is author's statement that immigration contributes to population growth? Not sure how moving one person from one place to another makes another person.