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(Sep 02, 2018, 00:02 am)twocows Wrote: Trump has touted the mindless loyalty of his base, and when he marveled that he would not lose any support if he shot somebody on Fifth Avenue, he was not complimenting the discernment of his supporters. He has tried to turn that into a positive — “I love the poorly educated!” — but the association with low socioeconomic strata has grated on him. Trump is the ultimate snob. He has no sense that working-class people may have equal latent talent that they have been denied the chance to develop. He considers wealthy and successful people a genetic aristocracy, frequently attributing his own success to good genes.
Attempting to explain his penchant for appointing plutocrats to his Cabinet, Trump has said, “I love all people, rich or poor, but in those particular positions I just don’t want a poor person. Does that make sense?”
That's pretty ironic that you would use "mindless loyalty" in the same response that you would recite a bunch of media garbage taken out of context. It's like your critical thinking skills completely misplaced, or you are just repeating what you heard your father say, who was just repeating what he heard the news say. I use to do that before I learned to think for myself and got an education. I don't mean to be insulting. Infact it's very concerning, because that seems to be the majority of the case of individuals.
Turn off the news, pick up a book, learn just what a government is suppose to do, and then realize that Trump is doing exactly that. Sometimes it feels like libtards are just a party of trolls, but then I realize they just don't have the basic understanding of how economy works, in order to filter out the bullshit and pick out the key facts that matter.
That's why you have a bunch of idiots running around mocking "grab em by the pussy," because they don't even know how to pick out the shit that matters in order to argue the shit that matters. In fact it's pretty easy to argue against Trump, or even Obama, Bush, or Clinton for that matter. However, I can can say without a doubt, you're all doing it wrong. "Trump said... Trump said..." Trump said a lot of things, but do you even know what Trump did though?
You should probably do a little research on a few things: - Mass control: it's real
- Trump's American GDP growth
I've said my peace, now I will retreat back into the silent, because my time is too valuable to educate people who refuse to educate themselves. I implore you to pick up a book on business or economy. Read it, then read it again, and dont stop reading it until you are sure you understand it. Stop reading this garbage media, and start fillig your mind with something fruitful. Of course I am making some assumptions here to give you the benefit of the doubt.
This thread: absolute rubbish and beneath me.
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Would you take (or have you recently taken) finacial advice from a poor person? Would you get a credit card from a retail store? Would you bank with Wells Fargo?
If you answer yes to any of those things, you have a lot of work to do.
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Any absolute figure alone means just a number. No matter how you got there or who pays for it.
According to a June 2017 report by the Boston Consulting Group, around 70% of the nation's wealth will be in the hands of millionaires and billionaires by 2021. [/url]
![[Image: If-us-land-mass-were-distributed-like-us-wealth.png]](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b3/If-us-land-mass-were-distributed-like-us-wealth.png)
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[url=https://www.statista.com/statistics/203961/wealth-distribution-for-the-us/]USA wealth 2017
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(Sep 02, 2018, 08:46 am)jerrysmatrix Wrote: (Sep 02, 2018, 00:02 am)twocows Wrote: Trump has touted the mindless loyalty of his base, and when he marveled that he would not lose any support if he shot somebody on Fifth Avenue, he was not complimenting the discernment of his supporters. He has tried to turn that into a positive — “I love the poorly educated!” — but the association with low socioeconomic strata has grated on him. Trump is the ultimate snob. He has no sense that working-class people may have equal latent talent that they have been denied the chance to develop. He considers wealthy and successful people a genetic aristocracy, frequently attributing his own success to good genes.
Attempting to explain his penchant for appointing plutocrats to his Cabinet, Trump has said, “I love all people, rich or poor, but in those particular positions I just don’t want a poor person. Does that make sense?”
That's pretty ironic that you would use "mindless loyalty" in the same response that you would recite a bunch of media garbage taken out of context. It's like your critical thinking skills completely misplaced, or you are just repeating what you heard your father say, who was just repeating what he heard the news say. I use to do that before I learned to think for myself and got an education. I don't mean to be insulting. Infact it's very concerning, because that seems to be the majority of the case of individuals.
Turn off the news, pick up a book, learn just what a government is suppose to do, and then realize that Trump is doing exactly that. Sometimes it feels like libtards are just a party of trolls, but then I realize they just don't have the basic understanding of how economy works, in order to filter out the bullshit and pick out the key facts that matter.
That's why you have a bunch of idiots running around mocking "grab em by the pussy," because they don't even know how to pick out the shit that matters in order to argue the shit that matters. In fact it's pretty easy to argue against Trump, or even Obama, Bush, or Clinton for that matter. However, I can can say without a doubt, you're all doing it wrong. "Trump said... Trump said..." Trump said a lot of things, but do you even know what Trump did though?
You should probably do a little research on a few things:- Mass control: it's real
- Trump's American GDP growth
I've said my peace, now I will retreat back into the silent, because my time is too valuable to educate people who refuse to educate themselves. I implore you to pick up a book on business or economy. Read it, then read it again, and dont stop reading it until you are sure you understand it. Stop reading this garbage media, and start fillig your mind with something fruitful. Of course I am making some assumptions here to give you the benefit of the doubt.
This thread: absolute rubbish and beneath me.
Extra:
Would you take (or have you recently taken) finacial advice from a poor person? Would you get a credit card from a retail store? Would you bank with Wells Fargo?
If you answer yes to any of those things, you have a lot of work to do.
Clearly you don't understand the majority of Americans ( a.k.a. liberals ) who DO read and are educated. Of course we also watch TV -- anyone who says that they don't and insults anti-Trumpers by calling them "libtards" are just showing their own bias an ignorance. If I wanted to be rude I could call you a "conserva-dunce" ( that's a fake conservative who believes whatever the conservative media is feeding them ).
This administration is the most corrupted in our lifetimes. The aforementioned Russian influence on Trump aside, Betsy DeVos was appointed to head the Department of Education because she favors destroying public schools in favor of charter schools which only the wealthy can afford. The previous disgraced head of the EPA that Trump appointed Scott Pruitt had a history of being against the EPA, an important organization that was created by a Republican president ( Nixon ) to maintain clean industrial air and water standards. His replacement is quieter but maintaining Pruitt's policies that are bad for our environment and a boon to greedy corporations. Steve Mnuchin used to run Goldman-Sachs, which your side and Bernie Sanders both complained were paying Hillary Clinton $225,000 per speech. Well at least that last part was true. Here's the problem : Trump said he was going to "drain the swamp", and since he took office between his cabinet members and him they're all enriching themselves at the expense of the American middle and working-class taxpayers ! This is a problem that's effected people across the political spectrum.
The growth in the GDP and 80+ months of lower unemployment we can thank Obama for. So Trump inherited that and he should be grateful, but instead he takes all the credit, which is typical of a narcissist !
Regarding your closing questions credit card debt has been a problem for many Americans. Personally I've never used credit -- I've always been against it. But I know a lot of people who owe thousands of dollars of both political persuasions. Some will eventually pay that off.
I used to bank with Wells Fargo up until 9 years ago, when I switched to Bank of America. Since that time I've had a free checking / ATM card account with them. Both banks may be cheating some Americans now, though I personally haven't had any issues with them. But since the Republicans in Congress repealed Dodd / Frank last year, the banks are now once again allowed to go wild again, as they recklessly invest with depositor money as they did in 2007 and 08, leading up to the stock market and housing market crash in the last months of Bush, Jr. It took the Obama administration 10 months with a limited stimulus bill to turn that around. And now for the first time in 10 years another crash leading to another Republican recession is likely to happen.
The solution to dealing with the big banks is to take our money out of there and deposit it into credit unions, where funds aren't gambled with by the execs.
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Just FYI, tl;dr. The only reason I peeked in here is out of curiosity. I'm not going to argue with a libtard, it's the same old dance and same old shit, and they never learn. I can see you're just about the same by skimming your response. So you can go have this conversation for the thousandth time, or you can wise up and take the help regardless of whether or not you change your opinion.
Trump isn't holding you down and keeping you from developing, you are if this is what you do with your time. Time is the most basic and valuable commodity that we all have. Learn to turn it into money, so that when you actually get some, you'll understand the value of a dollar.
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(Sep 02, 2018, 17:00 pm)jerrysmatrix Wrote: Just FYI, tl;dr. The only reason I peeked in here is out of curiosity. I'm not going to argue with a libtard, it's the same old dance and same old shit, and they never learn. I can see you're just about the same by skimming your response. So you can go have this conversation for the thousandth time, or you can wise up and take the help regardless of whether or not you change your opinion.
Trump isn't holding you down and keeping you from developing, you are if this is what you do with your time. Time is the most basic and valuable commodity that we all have. Learn to turn it into money, so that when you actually get some, you'll understand the value of a dollar.
There you go again with name-calling. By not refuting the factual information I've given you, not only have you lost the argument but you stated in your previous post that you were finished.... and you're still responding with a pointless message. No president since Nixon has had this many of his former associates in legal hot water. So far one was found GUILTY in a court of law ( Manafort ), pleading guilty and flipping to help the FBI in their investigations ( Flynn , Gates, Cohen ). There are indictments against 13 Russian hackers and a few dozen Russian officials, all being protected by Vladmir Putin as expected. Trump, meanwhile, has full cover for his own Constitutional violations by the Republicans in Congress and it's sickening. They're complicit in this cover-up and everybody knows it!
We also know that for many years Trump has been taking money from Russian oligarchs and the German Deustchbanke after his Atlantic City casinos went bankrupt, since American banks would no longer extend loans to him. The recent Helsinki conference with him and Putin is even more mysterious than his prior meeting with Kim Jung Un in Singapore! Anyone who doesn't think Trump is up to his orange ears in betraying this country is living in a fantasy world! He calls it a "witch hunt", in spite of admitting to his guilt re : his firing Comey on national TV to Lester Holt. Now a year later he's saying the Holt tape was doctored ! So let's wait until the Mueller Special Counsel team completes their investigation.
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I agree. You can't do anything if Republicans have the majority in Senat and they are hell-bent on blocking anything that comes out of Obama camp, regardless if a policy makes sense, or not.
Now... I think, that charges against Trump weren't brought up yet is because they really want to put him in prison. So if they'll charge him now, this dick will definitely pardon himself. It's unbelievable that he actually can do that.
So, they'll wait, till Trump loses presidency in 2020, and will effectively lose his right of pardon.
At least I hope that it's true. And it might be the only way for US to restore some credibility on the world stage, 'cause right now, world view on the US is, that it's either so corrupted at the highest level, or it's just full of idiots.
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(Oct 24, 2018, 15:50 pm)RafVne2 Wrote: Now... I think, that charges against Trump weren't brought up yet is because they really want to put him in prison. So if they'll charge him now, this dick will definitely pardon himself. It's unbelievable that he actually can do that.
Trump can't pardon himself on New York State criminal charges though. He still has to be removed from office first, and with a Democratic house voting to throw it to the Senate, I don't see the Republicans in the Senate voting with Democrats on that one. An impeachment still has to happen regardless, because the law requires it.
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Time will tell the tale...
Everything today that we speculate is endless Fake News will have to wait before the truth is cut in stone. So now we can revisit old Fake News to see how earth shattering it really was.
Yup, another thread we now have 6 years of look back to know how this went. Like a time capsule to look at how smart we were, hah. Well we now know that he could not be yanked out, and he served a historic term of decent governing in the middle of historic hate. Russia Russia Russia, abuse of power, incitement of insurrection, impeachment, etc,etc. Mueller ended up making a monkey out of the haters by finding that is was the DOJ that over reached and made mountains out of things that may not even have been hills. Then it was later discovered that Biden did the same abuse of power that they impeached Trump for. And the Supreme Court is about to cut the legs off of any criminal insurrection crap after Adam Schiff lied about the impeachment insurrection evidence.
So we see Fake News here most certainly stymied further greatness in America, but it could not erase the prosperity America did experience in Trumps first term. Indeed that example is being spot lighted by the size of wallets today which is helping Trump win a second term.
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