Stormcloud - the blockchain with filesharing

[kiwipeso]

A long time ago, there was discussion of a social network for file sharing with the US/Canada pirate party people.
This fitted in with a blockchain project I was working on for fun, so I decided to put this in as the sweet easter egg at the core of the cryptocurrency stuff.

One of the parts of the project was secure online voting.

The consideration of how to host file sharing on the blockchain and moderate it from abusive cp, as discussed on the offline bay thread, is resolved by the exclusive use of the official app for the stormcloud blockchain.
This app handles blacklisting within the search function by moderator votes on the verified log.
When the search result is approved, then the search loads the result.

As shown in the image, the process is relatively straightforward.

Obviously, I can't confirm this as a business matter outside of this forum because this is a hidden part of the wider blockchain.

However, this does have a stretch goal of improving file sharing with a new infohash, 
I am working on to effectively handle paid delivery of filesharing upon receipt of cryptocurrency.
This permits the project to have an obvious commercial use for the filesharing that I can incentivise the commercial users to use my system.
It also allows for shared resources to not use advertising.

There is a fair amount of encryption used throughout this project, and my peers with academic cryptography experience still don't understand how it works.
However, as I've been into cryptography since I was 12, I really don't get good advice from those who learnt cryptography at university.

The project website is stormcloud.nz and will be probably updated upon return home next week.

[connor17]

[techtac]

I'm no cryptography expert but I see your approach here. One thing though, even with this approach doesn't moderator nodes have to hold all the pieces and need to be always live? I don't know please correct me if i'm wrong. Because i know for a fact that the up time of any kind of an authorization level is critical.

[kiwipeso]

Yeah, I got that reaction from my classmate who has a PhD in cryptography.
All he could say was "it works, but I can't prove why it works."

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I'm no cryptography expert but I see your approach here. One thing though, even with this approach doesn't moderator nodes have to hold all the pieces and need to be always live? I don't know please correct me if i'm wrong. Because i know for a fact that the up time of any kind of an authorization level is critical.

True, as with TPB currently, the votes to flag have a need to come from someone who has loaded it in the initial phase, and can then notify the moderators.
The final decision to blacklist come from moderators, but they are informed by users who have witnessed the abuse of the blockchain.

Authorisation comes through a rotating list of moderators on the system, which can be alerted by the message system.
The message system itself is end to end and can strip out cp that is on the blacklist of the verified log through the hashing system.

As the initial phase is streamed only, abuse content is not saved. Therefore the system is secure from abuse over time.

It is only when the fileshare has become approved that it can be saved to device.
(I have that part from a DRM system I designed in 1998 for a company that never hired me.)

[connor17]

By moderator votes you mean actual people approving or blacklisting torrents?

What criptography has to do with the problem i.e. deleting bad torrents?

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True, as with TPB currently, the votes to flag have a need to come from someone who has loaded it in the initial phase, and can then notify the moderators.
The final decision to blacklist come from moderators, but they are informed by users who have witnessed the abuse of the blockchain.

Authorisation comes through a rotating list of moderators on the system, which can be alerted by the message system.
The message system itself is end to end and can strip out cp that is on the blacklist of the verified log through the hashing system.

As the initial phase is streamed only, abuse content is not saved. Therefore the system is secure from abuse over time.

The question was, in my opinion, if a peer system could work without mods. And now you say that mods are needed. So this system of yours doesn't adress the issue. It's just an anonymous pay per download system.

[kiwipeso]

By moderator votes you mean actual people approving or blacklisting torrents?

What cryptography has to do with the problem i.e. deleting bad torrents?

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True, as with TPB currently, the votes to flag have a need to come from someone who has loaded it in the initial phase, and can then notify the moderators.
The final decision to blacklist come from moderators, but they are informed by users who have witnessed the abuse of the blockchain.

Authorisation comes through a rotating list of moderators on the system, which can be alerted by the message system.
The message system itself is end to end and can strip out cp that is on the blacklist of the verified log through the hashing system.

As the initial phase is streamed only, abuse content is not saved. Therefore the system is secure from abuse over time.

The question was, in my opinion, if a peer system could work without mods. And now you say that mods are needed. So this system of yours doesn't adress the issue. It's just an anonymous pay per download system.

1. Yes, moderators will be humans voting on things.
The AI is not yet that sophisticated that I can automate the entire process.

2. Torrents aren't deleted, they disappear from the official app that is the exclusive way to access the blockchain.
They can't be shared within messages if the infohash is blacklisted.
Technically that is a form of cryptography relating to information assurance.

3. The current state of the AI used is not up to the task of automated moderation. 
This is no different to other organisations that use AI such as google, facebook, apple, etc.
Perhaps in future it could automatically recognise this stuff,
however I'd have to open up the AI to train it on a visual dataset of actual cp,
 and that would have to hand over authority to the AI training to civil servants who have that kind of dataset.

4. The download system rewards peers who are sharing with cryptocurrency micropayments.
It is basically a loyalty card for file sharing that gives you more points the longer you are peering.
I personally don't care if users are file sharing for personal use, or paying for a download.
However, to run it as a business venture I have to have the paid file sharing in the open.

[connor17]

It was confusing because in the other thread we were discussing about decentralized systems, this means without moderators, that are the ones who delete the bad torrents, and how such a system is not viable because it would be abused with bad torrents. And then you entered in that conversation saying that this application was the solution. It is not. It has nothing to do with it.

In this aplication people will pay to download. And earn from sharing. With cryptocurrency. Everything monitorized 'cos child porn. The AI to detect child porn sounds really crazy, even dangerous from a legal point.

Not really piratebay spirit imo.

[kiwipeso]

It was confusing because in the other thread we were discussing about decentralized systems, this means without moderators, that are the ones who delete the bad torrents, and how such a system is not viable because it would be abused with bad torrents. And then you entered in that conversation saying that this application was the solution. It is not. It has nothing to do with it.

In this application people will pay to download. And earn from sharing. With cryptocurrency. Everything monitorized 'cos child porn. The AI to detect child porn sounds really crazy, even dangerous from a legal point.

Not really piratebay spirit imo.

In the other thread, you wanted it moderated by mods only. Now in this thread you complain that I implement what you ask for.

In that case, I can remove moderators, and have it done solely by peers to flag the infohash.

Payment is optional, and really only needed to implement to get past business goals of colleagues.

In all blockchains, everything is public, otherwise it is not blockchain. Is that not clear ?

The only way to fully automate the AI would cripple the project with the law enforcement, give the App Full Blown Aids yes ?, and give Palantir the AI code. Absolute Ebola.

Of course, I can't allow that to happen, so I am doing it as best as can be done without fucking everything up.

Oh, and I did ask the piratebay staff a very long time ago if they wanted to be in on a previous version, that would have updated the piratebay to something that is assured of always being online, and they said they couldn't be bothered as they didn't want to recode their site.
I made the offer, and they turned it down, so at least I am getting a backup plan in action for the day when TPB have even more issues staying online.

As brokep is on record as saying that an alternative needs to be ready for that day, it can't be said that I'm not acting in TPB spirit or that I haven't tried to freely offer my expertise before to get TPB to reboot if anything happens.

All I have done since then is find a way to at least balance free personal use with consumer use, and offer rewards regardless of how sharing is done.

[connor17]

I'm not complaining, I don't care enough to complain.
What I'm saying is that a decentralized system is not posible, period. Your aplication is not, that's not complaining, just stating an obvious fact.

"I can remove moderators, and have it done solely by peers to flag the infohash."
No you can't, that's the point.

"As brokep is on record as saying that an alternative needs to be ready for that day, it can't be said that I'm not acting in TPB spirit"
I don't think robots destroying economy and bringing total communism is in the spirit of any non alienated person. Sunde only speaks for himself, thank god, like anyone else.

[joew771]

This is another pipe dream. My prog will revolutionize filesharing. My ass.

You use some strange ass cryptography to hide things from no one, and use some other thing to detect CP? wut?

You may have invented some bizarre way for people to vote online, for some reason, but otherwise what you are talking about is total nonsense.