Ripping/Encoding 4K discs

[RodneyYouPlonker]

I have no idea what Scene does, I have no idea what they are sharing and I have no idea how they get their 4K stuff but it's not really 4K probably comes from places like Amazon at a guess

Ok.

Is it known what a proper 4K release should contain?

Probably HDR content I would have thought

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If there was such a program but as far as I know there isn't, that could actually rip a 4K protection then where is it and where can you download it from? If somebody could suggest such a place then where is that exactly?

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Also I just thought I'd mention about the subject that you can actually buy the drives now. Like Pioneer are selling the drives for example, I'm not sure about other brands. They look very nice and you can read the discs in your PC but you would need a really powerful PC, it would have to be high end really with a big beefy processor and lots of RAM and also you would need one of the latest graphics cards with HDMI 2.0 interface on the port. The drives they are selling now are seriously fancy money. I would say probably almost 450% more expensive at a rough guess than the standard drive. That is some serious cash you'd need and there's no guarantee they would work anyway even if there was software you could buy to beat the protection on a UHD disc then there's still the firmware problem and if it's true what they've said a few days ago then the latest firmware wouldn't work due to them putting security holes in on purpose. Like I said you could always get some clever clogs to go away somewhere and reprogram all the firmware and then people could download that a bit like jailbreaking your drive but at the cost of them currently it would be a bit bad if you had to claim under warranty for a faulty unit.

[joew771]

All the supposedly 4k stuff I downloaded was porn. Nothing from Netflix or Amazon. It all looked legit to me. It looked good, but then again, I can barely tell the difference between 720 and 1080.

And I have this suspicion that most people won't be able to tell the difference between 1080 and 2160.

And even if no one can crack uhd yet, it won't be long before they do. Because that is how the world works.

[RodneyYouPlonker]

And even if no one can crack uhd yet, it won't be long before they do. Because that is how the world works.

Maybe so, who knows, if somebody can get their head around all this and sort it then great I'll move onto that format otherwise I won't bother. I'll leave it for a while and see what happens. Also wait for the price of the UHD drives to come down in price and in the mean time probably buy/build a new machine and get something with HDMI 2.0 because what I'm running at the moment has HDMI 1.4 and it won't be able to handle the bandwidth of HDR content.

[Hawk]

You guys must have some pretty large hard drives to be downloading 40gb + movies. I still download 720p just for the smaller size. lol

[bijwang]

And even if no one can crack uhd yet, it won't be long before they do. Because that is how the world works.

Maybe so, who knows, if somebody can get their head around all this and sort it then great I'll move onto that format otherwise I won't bother.  I'll leave it for a while and see what happens.  Also wait for the price of the UHD drives to come down in price and in the mean time probably buy/build a new machine and get something with HDMI 2.0 because what I'm running at the moment has HDMI 1.4 and it won't be able to handle the bandwidth of HDR content.

Hey @RodneyYouPlonker

Are you still there? Are you for real?

I highly admire people like you who are quality conscious.

I see that you started this thread back in 2017 - things must have changed since then. Are you able to rip 4k movies now?

See, I just downloaded a supposedly 4k torrent of 'Mission Impossible Rogue Nation' (file size ~30GB) and there are a number of scenes which are really grainy and definitely not 4k.

I'm desperately looking for quality 4k ripper like you.

Can you or anyone please refer me to any "real" 4k ripper?

Thanks a lot!

[RodneyYouPlonker]

And even if no one can crack uhd yet, it won't be long before they do. Because that is how the world works.

Maybe so, who knows, if somebody can get their head around all this and sort it then great I'll move onto that format otherwise I won't bother.  I'll leave it for a while and see what happens.  Also wait for the price of the UHD drives to come down in price and in the mean time probably buy/build a new machine and get something with HDMI 2.0 because what I'm running at the moment has HDMI 1.4 and it won't be able to handle the bandwidth of HDR content.

Hey @RodneyYouPlonker

Are you still there? Are you for real?

I highly admire people like you who are quality conscious.

I see that you started this thread back in 2017 - things must have changed since then. Are you able to rip 4k movies now?

See, I just downloaded a supposedly 4k torrent of 'Mission Impossible Rogue Nation' (file size ~30GB) and there are a number of scenes which are really grainy and definitely not 4k.

I'm desperately looking for quality 4k ripper like you.

Can you or anyone please refer me to any "real" 4k ripper?

Thanks a lot!

Well yes I'm still here as normal, I've been here for years now gradually uploading away...

It seems the problem is that you can copy a 4K disc if you have a drive that will do it but after you've done that you're supposed to compress the quality down into a smaller size.  This is the problem really in that you can't actually do that properly because there is no software that will work and also if there's High Dynamic Range present then you'll never do it because people who code software haven't even achieved that yet.  This is why I stick to regular Blu Ray because it's much easier and takes less time to work on.  Also the releases are cheaper to buy when new so it's so much better.  I personally find that having a good TV system that has massive and amazing upscaling is a better idea as you'll make a 1080p torrent look so much better with the right screen and processor to back it up you can make a 2K almost look like a 4K.  I usually watch several feet away and can't really tell all that much different to be honest.  I find that watching 4K you're better if you watch an original copy as simply trying to compress a 4K will not work and anybody that says you can is lying.

I've got no plans to move to 4K, I'm very much happy being a 2K uploader and enjoy the quality as it's a much improvement from DVD standards.  You can believe me I've watched some original 4K discs of movies that were released more recently and one that I won't mention the name but it looked very grainy even on an original, there wasn't much improvement from the 2K barely anything much to mention.  A lot of them are upscales anyway and then pressed onto a 4K disc.  It seems to me that 4K is a way of making money for the movie studios but as far as copying them I don't see much to get excited about until somebody can develop some software which can handle compression for High Dynamic Range then it's a disappointing situation...

[bijwang]

And even if no one can crack uhd yet, it won't be long before they do. Because that is how the world works.

Maybe so, who knows, if somebody can get their head around all this and sort it then great I'll move onto that format otherwise I won't bother.  I'll leave it for a while and see what happens.  Also wait for the price of the UHD drives to come down in price and in the mean time probably buy/build a new machine and get something with HDMI 2.0 because what I'm running at the moment has HDMI 1.4 and it won't be able to handle the bandwidth of HDR content.

Hey @RodneyYouPlonker

Are you still there? Are you for real?

I highly admire people like you who are quality conscious.

I see that you started this thread back in 2017 - things must have changed since then. Are you able to rip 4k movies now?

See, I just downloaded a supposedly 4k torrent of 'Mission Impossible Rogue Nation' (file size ~30GB) and there are a number of scenes which are really grainy and definitely not 4k.

I'm desperately looking for quality 4k ripper like you.

Can you or anyone please refer me to any "real" 4k ripper?

Thanks a lot!

Well yes I'm still here as normal, I've been here for years now gradually uploading away...

It seems the problem is that you can copy a 4K disc if you have a drive that will do it but after you've done that you're supposed to compress the quality down into a smaller size.  This is the problem really in that you can't actually do that properly because there is no software that will work and also if there's High Dynamic Range present then you'll never do it because people who code software haven't even achieved that yet.  This is why I stick to regular Blu Ray because it's much easier and takes less time to work on.  Also the releases are cheaper to buy when new so it's so much better.  I personally find that having a good TV system that has massive and amazing upscaling is a better idea as you'll make a 1080p torrent look so much better with the right screen and processor to back it up you can make a 2K almost look like a 4K.  I usually watch several feet away and can't really tell all that much different to be honest.  I find that watching 4K you're better if you watch an original copy as simply trying to compress a 4K will not work and anybody that says you can is lying.

I've got no plans to move to 4K, I'm very much happy being a 2K uploader and enjoy the quality as it's a much improvement from DVD standards.  You can believe me I've watched some original 4K discs of movies that were released more recently and one that I won't mention the name but it looked very grainy even on an original, there wasn't much improvement from the 2K barely anything much to mention.  A lot of them are upscales anyway and then pressed onto a 4K disc.  It seems to me that 4K is a way of making money for the movie studios but as far as copying them I don't see much to get excited about until somebody can develop some software which can handle compression for High Dynamic Range then it's a disappointing situation...

Wow. It's so nice to hear from you. And thank you so much for the prompt and detailed reply.

So, this means that we should not be looking for compressed 4K content (movies). Right? But what about 4K remux? - will that be the original thing? But, as you said. the original 4k stuff itself is not that good 

Let's do an experiment. I will download and watch the BD Remux and 4K Remux versions of a movie of my choice.

I will watch these on my Samsung 75" 4K TV using NVIDIA Shield TV (android box) and will post the results here.

Best wishes

[RodneyYouPlonker]

I will download and watch the BD Remux and 4K Remux versions of a movie of my choice.

Well you can do that it's not difficult, I have several releases where you get both the 2K and 4K discs included in the same pack.  You can watch them both and see quite easy without having to download any remux.  There is improvement in 4K but it depends on the movie and all movies are different.  Movies and Blu Rays are as different as people are.  No two Blu Rays are the same, I have watched some 4K and they do look very good.  I have also watched some 4K of older movies and I wasn't blown away too much.  There's a lot of hype regarding 4K, I think that most people always jump on the bandwagon because it's newer as this is what the movie studios want everybody to do.  There is advantages and disadvantages of both formats.  The advantages of regular Blu Ray is there is more choice and I mean a lot more.  4K discs there's not all that many movies available as they haven't been released yet.  I was ripping and encoding movies years ago before 4K even came out when I started doing Blu Rays there were none that were 4K.  A disadvantage of 4K is the price.  They are highly expensive and plus you're also buying more and more Blu Rays that go with your 4K discs so it's a waste of money you end up having to buy both of them when you've already got the 2K disc so you're paying all that money to buy the 4K and the 2K and it's costing you for all that (even more expense).  Another problem is that they are massive and internet is not that great especially in my own country the internet is poor and it takes ages to upload these things so 4K would take forever.  Another problem is the storage, to be honest I can't manage to store the amount I would need for 4K and because there's no software which can encode and compress down the size you're talking huge chunks of data that you'd have to store which is hard because storage can get expensive unless you've got some kind of NAS system and that would cost thousands which doesn't always suit everybody not everybody is that rich.  Also NAS systems when they go wrong are a pain in the butt to sort out and again more expense consider having to pay out hundreds to replace and fix your NAS system with new drives when they go wrong.

Having to copy a 4K disc you need a good drive and my favourite brand it wasn't ever possible because they made it so that you couldn't use my favourite brand which totally sucked.  You could use other brands but I didn't like those drives so I never invested in one.  Also takes longer to copy because of the size.  If you could compress and encode a 4K and make is smaller again that would take hours and hours to process.  You need a good machine to do all that with a powerful processor which again some people can't do on their machines as they are too old and shabby so it wouldn't work.  A lot of computers can't play 4K files because they haven't upgraded and you need a CPU which can handle it with lots of fast RAM at least DDR4 and up.  It's the storage that's the problem it's too expensive and not fast enough either seeding is expensive and you can't always get it going as fast as you want because of limits you'd have to wait for years until they make it faster but I don't see that happening yet the providers of networking and bandwidth are very funny about what they allow so in this day and age not good.  There's too many negatives really I can't think of many positives I'd rather just watch an original to make sure you're getting the correct HDR quality.  4K TVs are okay I guess I bought a 4K TV years ago it was okay at the time but now doesn't look all that great.  Might be worth one day waiting until 8K discs are launched probably in Japan first I'm sure that would be very exciting but then again even more ridiculous about how on earth could you manage to rip and copy that when you can't even do 4K.  The whole thing has legs but you can't walk on it plus some of these sites where torrents are put are being shut down not opened.  It's a very big subject but has lots of problems it's very expensive and even the drives for your PC cost quite a bit.  You need the latest software to play them the copied or cracked versions of these programs are no good you need the real one otherwise you can't download the updates you need the legit ones the cracks are useless.

This is part of the reason why I just stick to 2K it's easy it's fast and nice and better than DVD was.  DVD was ancient now and looks terrible I wouldn't waste my time on DVD anymore looks like a dog's dinner in all honesty.  The choice of Blu Ray is huge but even we are waiting for some things to be released and still waiting after all these years never mind waiting for 4K.  I'd rather wait for 8K discs now that would be really amazing but long time in the making you can see 8K features on YouTube and they do look nice better than 4K.

[lustrous]

You guys must have some pretty large hard drives to be downloading 40gb + movies. I still download 720p just for the smaller size. lol

I'm in agreement with Hawk's preference for downloading 720p content, even in 2024. LOL! Smaller file sizes are still a convenient choice, especially if you don't have massive hard drives.