Ripping/Encoding 4K discs
#1
I hear the latest news that came a few days ago from TorrentFreak, it was said that to combat the piracy of movies in 4K quality the companies that produce the drives are now planning on targetting the firmware for the latest 4K drives for PC and Mac by patching out security holes in the firmware so it means it will be impossible to actually rip a 4K movie.

They said that because 4K copies and actually ripping one is like the 'Holy Grail' of ripping movies, that 4K is looking like is going to cause a lot of problems. They are trying their best at the moment to try and sell to as many people as possible making maximum money out of them. I know a few people who are already into buying 4K movies and they have already paid out a fortune.

These security holes they are planning on using they will simply target the firmware for the drives in a way that means most people will want to update firmware for the latest disc compatibility but also at the same time you are making it impossible then to read and copy a 4K disc which is what they are wanting really. Like a lot of these latest 4K players they use firmware updates now to try and stop people watching copies like the Cinavia thing by making the firmware so it detects and stops you watching what you want.

The only way I see it is that some clever programmer out there who endorses copyright infringement is going to have to somehow reprogram the firmware updates for these drives. They are going to have to release like Jailbreaking firmware a bit like jailbreaking your ipod and they are going to have to get people to update their drives with these patches so that they can make the drives work again with the ripping programs. If this doesn't happen then there's not going to be any 4K ripping going on. The whole thing is going to be a bit of a mess really like having to rewrite all the firmwares for different 4K drives for your PC and Mac and having to release them unofficially so they can change what the companies are trying to do to prevent piracy. Also not forgetting this will totally void your warranties if the drive should fail.

Not much I don't think is happening yet, I'm not sure about whether there are 4K drives now in the USA maybe they are already on sale I haven't bothered to look. I know they came out in Japan first as things always do it's early days yet I really don't know how people are going to go about copying and ripping movies in the future. If not then it could have serious consequences on sites like Pirate Bay where people won't be able to rip because of these firmware patches. Maybe they might find ways around it I'm not sure. I don't know that much about it at the moment but things are going to have to change soon because HD can't carry on forever. There's going to come a day when Piracy is going to have to step up the ladder a bit and also Internet connections are going to have to speed up and torrent files are going to have to be much larger to handle all the extra information for high quality video. Obviously then higher you go in quality the more pixels there are and the better the colours, the higher the video rates. You can't just simply process a file that's about 2 gigabytes in size for that kind of level, if you do you simply have no idea what you're doing. In the future if 4K does go viral and gets pirated then there's going to be much more to download than currently. I see so many files around these days all such small things but to be honest they just don't cut it in quality. Only if you process files that are higher spec can you get the better results.
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#2
Uhhh....there are already 4K rips on TPB right? I got some I think. My computer is old as shit, but I could watch them, barely.

They were 2160p. I may be totally wrong, but I don't think so.
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#3
(Dec 26, 2017, 16:37 pm)RodneyYouPlonker Wrote: I see so many files around these days all such small things but to be honest they just don't cut it in quality.

Wrong. You see so many files around these days all such small things BECAUSE they DO cut it in quality.

Not the quality that you personally prefer or believe that people should prefer but the quality that MOST people ACTUALLY prefer.

You are in a minority. There is nothing wrong with that but pretending that you are speaking for the majority in the face of clear evidence that you are not doesn't fool anyone.

Take a look at the Top 100: http://uj3wazyk5u4hnvtk.onion/top/207  [Although swarm stats on TPB are not particularly accurate, they are equally inaccurate for all uploads so the comparison it provides is valid.]  There isn't even a single movie in the Top 100 over 6GB.  It's a similar case with TV Shows.

Nobody forces people to download anything, or prevents people from downloading anything. The fact is, most people choose to download movies in the 2GB range. Sure, they aren't the best quality, but most people watch once and then delete (or at best ignore). Which is perfectly understandable because most movies are not high art, there is a steady stream of new movies to watch, and many more people watch on small screens than on big screens.

(Dec 26, 2017, 16:37 pm)RodneyYouPlonker Wrote: I hear the latest news that came a few days ago from TorrentFreak, it was said that to combat the piracy of movies in 4K quality the companies that produce the drives are now planning on targetting the firmware for the latest 4K drives for PC and Mac by patching out security holes in the firmware so it means it will be impossible to actually rip a 4K movie.

Meh.

New copy protection mechanisms have been coming and going since before the internet got started. Any new scheme will make a difference for a while but it won't be material--it will only ever affect the tiny minority of early adopters--and it will be voided entirely in due course. You have even outlined a few holes in the scheme yourself, before it has even started and without being an expert in the field.

(Dec 26, 2017, 16:37 pm)RodneyYouPlonker Wrote: If not then it could have serious consequences on sites like Pirate Bay where people won't be able to rip because of these firmware patches.

I can't even begin to imagine how you think it will have ANY consequences on sites like Pirate Bay. People will always share what they are able to share. Sure, for a while that didn't include Cinavia protected movies or Denovo protected games but no protection mechanism is ever anywhere near universal so no protection mechanism will ever come close to materially impacting the file sharing world.

(Dec 26, 2017, 16:37 pm)RodneyYouPlonker Wrote: HD can't carry on forever.

Why not?

People cheered when FUD resumed uploading Xvids. There are a couple of channels on my TV dedicated to 1950's shows. I love Rock'n'Roll music. Vinyl is more popular now than it was 30 years ago even though CD's have come and gone in the interim.

HD can and most likely will carry on forever alongside whatever comes next and whatever comes after that.

(Dec 26, 2017, 16:37 pm)RodneyYouPlonker Wrote: There's going to come a day when Piracy is going to have to step up the ladder a bit and also Internet connections are going to have to speed up and torrent files are going to have to be much larger to handle all the extra information for high quality video.

Piracy never has to do anything. People share what they have to share and what they want to share. If they don't have it, they don't share it. No big deal.

And you're also overlooking the fact that piracy primarily serves the lower end of the market--people who cannot afford the latest and greatest technology and media to go with it. It will be a very very long time before nobody wants to download HD content. [Which isn't to say that the average size of files being shared will not increase. It certainly will. But it is not, never has been and never will be, a one-size-and-one-size-only world.]

tl; dr = same old same old. nothing to worry about.
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#4
So I was right? I know I downloaded 2160p movies. Were they 4K? I still confoosed.
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#5
Yes, 2160p resolution = 4K (aka UHD)

Of course you will also then get people debating whether the source of an encode was 4K (or was it an upscale), and debating appropriate frame rates.
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#6
Nobody has managed to officially rip a 4K disc yet because there isn't any software yet that will do the job
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#7
Except for Hateful 8 https://torrentfreak.com/pirates-plunder...cp-160906/
and Smurfs 2 https://torrentfreak.com/first-pirated-u...ed-170503/

and Netflix 4K content https://torrentfreak.com/first-netflix-4...es-150828/

As for software? There is https://torrentfreak.com/new-deuhd-tool-...cs-171002/
and AnyDVD https://torrentfreak.com/anydvd-supports...es-171220/



None of which changes the fact that even if UHD really was unbreakable it would make very little difference to anyone but a small minority.
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#8
I see the scene releasing a lot of stuff. https://rarbg.to/torrents.php?search=&category%5B%5D=52

Are these 4K rips? If not, why?

NOTE: I am really confused.
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#9
I have no idea what Scene does, I have no idea what they are sharing and I have no idea how they get their 4K stuff but it's not really 4K probably comes from places like Amazon at a guess

I was talking to my friend earlier on today and mentioned this thread to him and he had a look at my post and he said this comment:

Quote:there are no 4k movie rips they are amazon or Netflix 4k movies, films already loaded and bought and purchased online. not ripped from a drive, it is not possible, the 4k films that are available like that are not even high Dynamic Range 10 if they could rip them it would include it but they don't. they are online purchased files not physical original copies but streamed, they are probably recorded or some how extracted and saved from say Netflix or amazon
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#10
(Dec 27, 2017, 17:54 pm)RodneyYouPlonker Wrote: I have no idea what Scene does, I have no idea what they are sharing and I have no idea how they get their 4K stuff but it's not really 4K probably comes from places like Amazon at a guess

Ok, that would explain why their is only 1 main file and not hundreds like the blu-ray releases.

Is it known what a proper 4K release should contain?
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