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Nov 02, 2016, 23:34 pm
(This post was last modified: Nov 02, 2016, 23:41 pm by Aaron.Walkhouse. Edited 3 times in total.)
Things changed after the "patriot" act. New laws and new agencies
[TSA/DHS] have drastically tipped the balance from constitutional rights
and freedoms in favor of over-enforcement backed by unaccountability.
Courts can, and sometimes do, rule against seizures but few cases get
that far. The bar of costs prevails in most cases, and the few who can
afford the fight often get blocked by "national security." The secrecy
behind no-fly lists and additional "administrative" watchlists for extra
scrutiny at border points cannot be challenged in court because even
the courts are refused access to such lists outright. That's what's new,
and that's what's used against journalists, innocent muslims and many
who just speak out about these new tyrannies on social media.
Were you aware the feds are proposing mandated access to all social
media accounts at border checks? That's probably one of the things
you missed because the bigger news sites are all focused on Trump.
The sources you seek are at the news sites I pointed out, so help yourself.
If you had been getting news from independents you would have noticed
the pot you are sitting in has been building up heat for the past 15 years.
Examples are many and accelerating and you don't need fringe sites to
see the building patterns of federal overreach in the name of security.
Good, reliable journalists still exist but you have to go looking in order
to find them because the mainstream has been losing their basic skills
of investigation and journalism for too many years.
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Nov 03, 2016, 06:28 am
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Aaron, you keep speaking in broad, sweeping generalizations, and specifically about national security matters. But that's not the issue here. You are also mistaken in assuming that I am uninformed on these issues or with reputable news sources generally.
I asked you to provide a single, solitary instance of pirated content being seized, and you have been unwilling or unable to do so. Cite the case, as the lawyers would say.
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Nov 03, 2016, 15:25 pm
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I've just been trying to point you in that direction so you can find it yourself, and thus trust it more.
If I just give you a link you could, and probably would, discard the site as beyond your comfort zone,
and it would be a shame to lose out on genuine journalism free of the usual corporate and nationalistic
biases so prevalent in the industry today. So go get it, because it's right there if you google for it. ![[Image: tongue3.gif]](http://www3.telus.net/Aaron_Walkhouse/tongue3.gif)
[Try ("BSA", "porn" or "pirated") alongside ("customs", "laptop" and "seizure"), for example.]
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For what it's worth, The Intercept is funded by some billionaire and Glenn Greenwald is a joke. I wouldn't trust them as far as I could throw them.
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(Nov 01, 2016, 20:03 pm)underdeath21 Wrote: For example you went into airport and they asked to look into your storage devices for pirated content?anybody here had any troubles and what are chances that border will check for pirated content??
Never. I've been through literally hundreds of times.
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(Nov 03, 2016, 15:25 pm)Aaron.Walkhouse Wrote: I've just been trying to point you in that direction so you can find it yourself, and thus trust it more.
If I just give you a link you could, and probably would, discard the site as beyond your comfort zone . . .
What a load of condescending nonsense. Has "Google it" now become the last refuge of a scoundrel?
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It may come as no surprise but I don't keep a scrapbook of everything I have read.
That would be tinfoil-hat behaviour, wouldn't it?
If you refuse to educate yourself or even start I won't force you,
nor will I spoon-feed you what you need to know;
as that truly would be condescending.
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You know, Aaron, and I'm not trying to offend you, but I think workerbee is right in asking for a source story.
You see, if you hand in something like a research paper and you don't cite sources of your claims, it goes to the circular file.
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I already said I didn't save the articles but I did say I remember they were on those two sites.
If Google swamps you with too many you can optionally restrict the search to either site.
[ http://www.google.com/search?q=[SEARCH TERMS]+[MORE SEARCH TERMS]+site:[SITENAME]&tbs=rltm:1]
This is not a college research facility, nor is it a courthouse during a lawsuit. Those who refuse
to educate themselves or start reading sources that reliably report on subjects like this are free
to do so; but they can't blame me for refusing to rub their noses in facts freely available to all.
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(Nov 02, 2016, 15:43 pm)Aaron.Walkhouse Wrote: They have legal authority to seize anything for no reason at all
other than "suspicion" which they don't really have to articulate
to lowly peons like you and I. That they say so is the sole test
of the law and when pressed, can simply say they don't have to
reveal their sources or "investigative methods."
They look for child porn, definitely, but have a long reputation
for unexplained seizures against journalists, muslims and anyone
they just don't like for any reason at all, and they have special
exceptions in the law for "customs" and "border security".
As for piracy: yes, they do use it as an excuse; and then they
simply don't release the suspected "contraband" until you spend
enough money to lawyer it out of their clammy, selfish deathgrip.
If you haven't noticed, you haven't been looking or haven't been
reading news from independent, credible sources. I recommend
sites like Techdirt and The Intercept, for starters, and follow their
evidence from there to more of the same, reputable news sources.
As for what I said about using clean laptops [and tablets and phones]
this has been standard procedure for journalists [and business reps
who handle sensitive info for their employers] for over a decade:
Take hardware if you must but plan for it to be lost or stolen by feds.
Holy shit. That's the biggest load of crap I've heard in a long time.
You need to take some relaxation pills or something.
In the U.S., if you bring a laptop onto a plane, the only thing they do is that they ask you to turn it on, so they can see if it actually works or not and isn't some sort of bomb.
If it works, that's all they care about. If you think airports care about child porn or pirated movies, you are totally wrong.
If they had to check every person's comp for CP or pirated content, no plane would ever fly again, because there isn't enough time, and at least 50% of the people wouldn't be allowed to fly, due to pirated shows/movies. And 90% due to child porn 
Just kidding about that last bit, but what you said is more than retarded.
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