Vegan Recipes
#21
it's been scientifically proven that while meats do have higher calories, they act on ghrelin longer which is the hunger hormone.
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#22
(Aug 01, 2020, 15:16 pm)LillyLacTac Wrote: it's been scientifically proven that while meats do have higher calories, they act on ghrelin longer which is the hunger hormone.

All you need to stay full is protein and fat basically. Carbs are also needed in the diet, since they're energy (the brain runs on glucose), but to stay full you mainly need protein.

Protein can be found in plants, and all protein originally comes from plants. You can filter your protein through someone else's body, by consuming animal products, but that seems kind of unnecessary when you can just go directly to the source instead.

There are lots of plant foods with high protein content, and as a vegan, I make sure to eat a lot of those.

There's nothing that creates as much environmental destruction and disease, not to mention suffering, as the consumption of animal products. You can always find some scientific study to back up whatever position you hold, but it's best to make sure your position is actually grounded in physical reality, and not strictly based on what you want to be true.

There's lots of garbage science and bad studies out there. I think if you really want a good grasp on the current scientific consensus you'd need to spend significant time on reading studies. Most people aren't motivated to do that, and even if they were, they don't have the time.

I haven't read all the studies, but I'm pretty sure you haven't either.



I've found that the documentary above is a pretty good deterrent against eating animals, but meat eaters don't want to watch it since they think it's propaganda. The documentary is just showing the reality of how animal-based food is produced. If it doesn't feel good watching terrified animals get their throats cut, then maybe that's the voice of conscience speaking and it would be a good idea to listen.
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#23
Fant0men, what do you think about religiously-styled "mercy killing" to animals for food?

I'm talking about Halal and Kosher.

Hypocritical? Aliens? What is your opinion?
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#24
(Aug 03, 2020, 19:21 pm)RobertX Wrote: Fant0men, what do you think about religiously-styled "mercy killing" to animals for food?

I'm talking about Halal and Kosher.

Hypocritical? Aliens? What is your opinion?

Halal and Kosher may have been a step up from the methods used before (thousands of years ago), but it's still cruel and unnecessary. Personally, I don't care how you cut my throat. I just don't want my throat to be cut. I think the animals feel the same way.

The way we treat animals like commodities in factory farming is probably not good for the soul. They are living beings with a will to live. Most of the animals we kill should never have been born in the first place, and their suffering could have been avoided. Many of them are genetically altered to the point where their bodies are completely dysfunctional and their whole life is just endless suffering. We've also accomplished some of this through breeding alone, getting exactly the type of animal we want. But the point is, they're not here for us just like we're not here for them.

Many people seem to believe we would have a problem with animal overpopulation if we stop killing them for food, but the point is they're bred for the sole purpose of feeding us, so we'd just stop breeding them. Even if we eventually get a completely vegan world, it's going to happen gradually. Animal food production will gradually decrease so we will never have this imaginary problem of "too many animals".

Maybe we still need to kill some animals in the wild (like wolves for example) to protect the balance of the ecosystem, but I'm not entirely sure about that. Probably, the only reason we'd need to do that is because we fucked up the ecosystem in the first place, by introducing some foreign species into the mix, or changing the environment in some bad way.

Nature has a way of balancing things out.
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#25
What you should also understand is those proteins found in many plants are not complete proteins, they are incomplete proteins. Meat contains complete proteins. Also, those same plants are mostly fiber which makes it even harder for the small bowel to digest the proteins. I also found a documentary for you to watch, https://thepiratebay.org/description.php?id=17908672 and im not going to by hypocritical and not watch the documentary you wanted me to see.

Meat is probably around 75% completely digestible, where as plants by nature are incredibly high in fiber and probably around 30% digestible.
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#26
Hi RobertX,
Hi community,

i went vegetarian about 5 months ago and also find it difficult to cook good vegan meals only. I guess experimenting and sharing recipes is quite important ;-)

For me the environmental destruction is the main reason to become vegetarian/vegan. AFAIK, the industrialized meat industry and industrialized, monocultural agriculture (in many places of the world even GMO/heavily biochemical infused) is a or even "the" main driver for it. So i plant as much as i can by myself in a organic/permacultural way.

It has also the good components/side effects of enough movement/physical activity to balance out the hours i spend on the computer and in general becoming more self sustainable.

For health issues and out of my personal experience  i can recommend a meatless, fishless (for the people who differentiate that, lol) diet, with as often as possible freshly cooked. Use whole grain and fresh vegetable ingredients whenever you can.

Be aware that many revolutionary alternatives (in general, not only when it comes to food xD), ideas and concepts get bought, stolen, compromised and then sold back to you for a much higher price/value. I guess this is a side effect of the capitalistic exploitation of democracy.

Stay sane and healthy!
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#27
Thank you, wartux! Welcome to the SuprBay forum and adding an insightful post in my thread!

I still eat and enjoy meat, like how I am using GNU/Linux on one computer and still keeping Windows 7 on another, but I don't mind keeping open to some new ideas.

I enjoy watching Star Trek, and like the protagonists of Star Trek, they open their minds on new things. Like Dr. Phlox says, "if you want to embrace new worlds, you have to embrace new ideas."
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#28
(Aug 03, 2020, 21:13 pm)LillyLacTac Wrote: What you should also understand is those proteins found in many plants are not complete proteins, they are incomplete proteins. Meat contains complete proteins. Also, those same plants are mostly fiber which makes it even harder for the small bowel to digest the proteins. I also found a documentary for you to watch, https://thepiratebay.org/description.php?id=17908672 and im not going to by hypocritical and not watch the documentary you wanted me to see.

Meat is probably around 75% completely digestible, where as plants by nature are incredibly high in fiber and probably around 30% digestible.

Even if some of the proteins are incomplete, you get all the amino acids you need by varying the diet and eating various things. Though, isn't soy a complete protein? I think that's why companies like Alpro went with soy early on.

Fiber is good. It feeds the good gut bacteria, and is a prebiotic. It also helps moving things along.

I take a probiotics supplements along with a fiber supplement for that reason.

Thank you for the documentary. It's downloading now and I will watch it.
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#29
I was vegan back in 2003/2004, before it became fashionable. It was a science in its own right figuring out how to get all the nutrients the body needs. Today I'm mostly pescetarian. I like fish and eggs and cheese too much. If someone serves me meat I will eat it.

Sifting through the arguments for going vegan:

In terms of healthy eating, fish and eggs are real good for ya. Cheese not so much but damn it's tasty.

In terms of animal welfare, there are plenty alternatives to industry standard.

In terms of environmental impact, I feel that the vegan movement is shifting the focus from harmful industrial practice to individual responsibility. For example, you can now buy an "impossible burger" at burger king or similar and feel good about yourself while stuffing the wallet of corps that are bleeding the planet dry. Or in other words: what concerned citizens really should worry about is the industrial system and how to eliminate it. Choosing between this or that burger at your local global chain or this or that food product at your local wallmart does NOT change shit. It keeps the wheels running. Business as usual.

If you are hellbent on making a real difference, growing your own food is the way to go. Or alternatively foraging your food stuff and/or buying food that is produced locally under acceptable circumstances.
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#30
(Aug 06, 2020, 06:42 am)ill88eagle Wrote: I was vegan back in 2003/2004, before it became fashionable. It was a science in its own right figuring out how to get all the nutrients the body needs. Today I'm mostly pescetarian. I like fish and eggs and cheese too much. If someone serves me meat I will eat it.

Sifting through the arguments for going vegan:

In terms of healthy eating, fish and eggs are real good for ya. Cheese not so much but damn it's tasty.

In terms of animal welfare, there are plenty alternatives to industry standard.

In terms of environmental impact, I feel that the vegan movement is shifting the focus from harmful industrial practice to individual responsibility. For example, you can now buy an "impossible burger" at burger king or similar and feel good about yourself while stuffing the wallet of corps that are bleeding the planet dry. Or in other words: what concerned citizens really should worry about is the industrial system and how to eliminate it. Choosing between this or that burger at your local global chain or this or that food product at your local wallmart does NOT change shit. It keeps the wheels running. Business as usual.

If you are hellbent on making a real difference, growing your own food is the way to go. Or alternatively foraging your food stuff and/or buying food that is produced locally under acceptable circumstances.

I agree that modern agriculture in general is a problem, with the monoculture and pesticides... It's depleting the soil rapidly, and from what I hear the top soil is only good for a couple more generations...

And artificial food, like fake meat, fake cheese etc., is less environmentally friendly than just buying whole foods and cooking your meals from scratch. As long as you're a member of modern civilization you will leave a huge carbon footprint, that's true. But some lifestyles do more environmental harm than others. Animal agriculture is the worst here, because not only do we have to grow grains and soy to feed the animals, but we also need to turn the animals into meat and ship them around. If we had just grown food for ourselves exclusively, that would immensely lessen the total carbon footprint of our civilization, because turning grain and soy into meat is a very ineffective process.

Growing your own food is great, but if you really want to reduce your carbon footprint the only option is to go off the grid and stop participating in our civilization altogether.

I'm not vegan because it's trendy, but I switched for health reasons, and the ethical aspect of it all just grew on me with time.
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