USSF - United States Space Force

[RobertX]

Maybe  they were, but I don''t think Gene Roddenberry agrees with the assessment that they are a military organisation at all. I don't know.

LZA:

Starfleet was at war with the Klingons, a bunch of times and at bunch of realities. When Staffleet messed up on protocol around Star Trek Enterprise, the Federation saw a policy change of not interfering with an alien culture, which becomes known as the Prime Directive. This feud continued through Star Trek Discovery and the end of Captain Kirk's adventures, it boiled over with the Khitomer Accords.

But when the Enterprise C disappeared into the future, it created a parallel universe when the Federation was in war with the Klingons because the Federation wasn't there to help them at their hour of need. With the help of the alternate Captain Picard and the Enterprise, the C was repaired and returned to the battle scene, which averted the alternate timeline but was lost.

In the universe where the mirror Empress Georgiou came from, the Klingon-Cardassian alliance defeated the Terran Empire, which was the equivalent of the Federation in the prime universe and made them slaves.

When Caradassia was suspected of being infiltrated by Changelings, Starfleet didn't support the Klingon's stance to invade Cardassia and withdrew from the Khitomer Accords and this lasted until the Cardassians were pushed into joining the Dominion and the Khitomer Accords were re-instated.

Point being: Starfleet's wars with the Klingon Empire were legendary.

Now, back to topic. I guess Starfleet can be militant in some ways, but they are militant pacifists. Unlike other Orwellian dystopia, they don't fire first, they don't conscript (they believe in free will), and they don't lie to their citizens, other than the fact that they are align with a power that doesn't believe in the Starfleet philosophy of running a fair and honest government. Picard even said it,k "the first duty is to the truth, whether it's historical truth or the scientific truth."

That said, the Romulans did fault the Federation for expanding their "empire," which may indicate themselves being militant.

[ill88eagle]

Any military branch is a testimony to the failure of the human race. Fictional or not.

[RobertX]

So you're a pacifist.

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EDIT: So I guess in the same vein, Microsoft would hire lawyers to police their copyright because they find a need to.

Would you say it's the same thing?

[ill88eagle]

So you're a pacifist.

Do you like war?

EDIT: So I guess in the same vein, Microsoft would hire lawyers to police their copyright because they find a need to.

Would you say it's the same thing?

I'll expand my original statement to include all power excercising institutions, including but not limited to government, police, school, church, you name it

[LZA]

Any military branch is a testimony to the failure of the human race. Fictional or not.

See, I agree with that 100% in real life.. However in Star Trek, the Earth has made peace amd ALL humans are together, so the human race has not failed since they stopped killing each other. BUT Starfleet is still militant because races like the Cardassians (almost spelled Kardashians), are evil predators that MUST be stopped.

MIllitant pacifists is a good way to describe... Will avoid violence, but it's there if needed... If others push the issue.

[RobertX]

Fuck no.

But you reserve the ability to defend yourself and, at the same time, not firing at defenceless people.

But, to answer your question, no, I never hope for war.

[ill88eagle]

Any military branch is a testimony to the failure of the human race. Fictional or not.

See, I agree with that 100% in real life.. However in Star Trek, the Earth has made peace amd ALL humans are together, so the human race has not failed since they stopped killing each other. BUT Starfleet is still militant because races like the Cardassians (almost spelled Kardashians), are evil predators that MUST be stopped.

MIllitant pacifists is a good way to describe... Will avoid violence, but it's there if needed... If others push the issue.

Why don't they just offer peace and learn from each other?

[RobertX]

But they do, that's their mission.

The pen is mightier than the sword, but what good would it do if they're going to be ambushed at a diplomatic function? At that time, they keep the sword handy just in case.

I know, you don't kill just because they kill, but militant or not, you reserve the ability to defend yourself. Nothing more.

[ill88eagle]

But they do, that's their mission.

The pen is mightier than the sword, but what good would it do if they're going to be ambushed at a diplomatic function? At that time, they keep the sword handy just in case.

I know, you don't kill just because they kill, but militant or not, you reserve the ability to defend yourself. Nothing more.

Lao Zu says: the strong oak invites the axe

[RobertX]

I regret not reading the works of Chinese Philosophers, simply because I tried learning it in Chinese and can't make heads or tails.

When translated, most works differ from their original counterparts because of the poor translation. Chinese and English are two very different languages, and, coming from someone who speaks both languages, I would know that.

Because I still can't understand most Chinese speech (and even if I did, I wouldn't understand old Chinese), this deficiency is my loss.

What did you like about Lzo Tzu?

And on a noteworthy reminder: Don't miss Star Trek Discovery Season Three on CBS All-Access!