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There's a wonderful RSA Animate by Dr David Harvey on the 2008 financial crash. He is one of the foremost Marxist analysts today.
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He was a brilliant idiot. It taught people how to pretend to work, and others, to pretend to pay for that work. In the end the same rats at the top of the heap...like a pyramid.
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Read 'Atlas Shrugged' if you want to have the absolute refutation of marxism/communism. She explains it all perfectly.
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(Oct 04, 2015, 19:49 pm)RobertX Wrote: No, Communism has not been proven to work well in China for the following reasons:
- when Mao Zedong took the throne and introduced the system, he became power-corrupt and left the country into over-population, and undereducation
- if you so much as mouth out so much as a minimally-critical statement against the state as shown in the Tianamen Massacre and Liu Xiao Bo case about the milk powder, you will be in trouble
- most of the officials who work within the system are easily bribed to the point where nobody knows what to do anymore
I am a Chinese, but I am very ashamed of what the motherland has become. Even a despicable person like Deng Xiao Peng knew that Mao's leadership is wrong, so he opened up the country to outside trade. But that was the beginning of the end of Chinese freedom.
If China was prospering well because of Communism, then why do the members of the government's heirarchy send their kids to study abroad. Why are the North Koreans fleeing the DPRK if it was prospering well?
I don't pretend to think that the USA is better as the government installs a form of dictatorship in Chile and Iran through the 20th century, but I don't see why you would say China is doing much better.
Just my two dimes.
EDIT: That being said, I still think Marx is a smart man. Or even a great man, although his theories have been abused. There are ways that his theories can be used to benefit mankind. Such examples are:
- free eduation
- socialised medicine
- welfare
- workers' unions
"Workers of the world, unite! You have nothing to lose but your chains" was one of the most important quotes of the world.
You are absolutely right,
China
- Population: 1.376B
- Gini: 46.2 High
EEUU
- Population: 324M
- Gini: 40.8 Medium
Communism don't work ...
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Where did you get those figures?
Just wondering.
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Gini figures are purely speculative and therefore meaningless.
Marx had some good ideas in theory, but in reality, they are total shit. Communism in any form has pretty much proven to be ineffective, whether it be pure Marxian communism or socialism or any other. It all results in complete subjugation of a large population of people. That's bad.
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Cut all that papers facts.
It's pointless.
True absolute fact!
Marxism + mindless robots = success
Marxism + selfish human and their humanity = big failures
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Pretty much what I said, and what Ayn Rand says much much better that either one of us. 
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From the communist manifesto:
Quote:1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.
4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
5. Centralisation of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.
6. Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.
7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
8. Equal liability of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country.
10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children’s factory labour in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, &c, &c.
and
Quote:Demands of the Communist Party in Germany
“Workers of all countries, unite!”
1. The whole of Germany shall be declared a single and indivisible republic.
2. Every German, having reached the age of 21, shall have the right to vote and to be elected,provided he has not been convicted of a criminal offence.
3. Representatives of the people shall receive payment so that workers, too, shall be able tobecome members of the German parliament.
4. Universal arming of the people. In future the armies shall be simultaneously labour armies, sothat the troops shall not, as formerly, merely consume, but shall produce more than is necessaryfor their upkeep.
This will moreover be conducive to the organisation of labour.
5. Legal services shall be free of charge.
6. All feudal obligations, dues, corvées, tithes etc., which have hitherto weighed upon the rural population, shall be abolished without compensation.
7. Princely and other feudal estates, together with mines, pits, and so forth, shall become the property of the state. The estates shall be cultivated on a large scale and with the most up-to-date scientific devices in the interests of the whole of society.
8. Mortgages on peasant lands shall be declared the property of the state. Interest on such mortgages shall be paid by the peasants to the state.
9. In localities where the tenant system is developed, the land rent or the quit-rent shall be paid to the state as a tax.
The measures specified in Nos. 6, 7, 8 and 9 are to be adopted in order to reduce the communal and other burdens hitherto imposed upon the peasan ts and small tenant farmers without curtailing the means available for defraying state expenses and without imperilling production. The landowner in the strict sense, who is neither a peasant nor a tenant farmer, has no share in
production. Consumption on his part is, therefore, nothing but abuse.
10. A state bank, whose paper issues are legal tender, shall replace all private banks. This measure will make it possible to regulate th e credit system in the interest of the people as a whole, and will thus undermine the dominion of the big financial magnates. Further, by gradually substituting paper money for gold and silver coin, the universal means of exchange (that indispensable prerequisite of bourgeois trade and commerce) will be cheapened, and gold and silver will be set free for use in foreign trade. Finally, this measure is necessary in order to bind the interests of the conservative bourgeoisie to the Government.
11. All the means of transport, railways, canals, steamships, roads, the posts etc. shall be taken over by the state. They shall become the property of the state and shall be placed free at the disposal of the impecunious classes.
12. All civil servants shall receive the same salary, the only exception being that civil servants who have a family to support and who therefore have greater requirements, shall receive a higher
salary.
13. Complete separation of Church and State. The clergy of every denomination shall be paid only by the voluntary contributions of their congregations.
14. The right of inheritance to be curtailed.
15. The introduction of steeply graduated taxes, and the abolition of taxes on articles of consumption.
16. Inauguration of national workshops. The state guarantees a livelihood to all workers and provides for those who are incapacitated for work.
17. Universal and free education of the people. It is to the interest of the German proletariat, the petty bourgeoisie and the small peasants to support these demands with all possible energy. Only by the realisation of these demands will the millions in Germany, who have hitherto been exploited by a handful of persons and whom the exploiters would like to keep in further subjection, win the rights and attain to that power to which they are entitled as the producers of all wealth.
I don't agree with everything on there, but a lot of bears similarity with many democratic republics of the modern day, and makes sense as responsible policy.
Here's a copy of the communist manifesto in case anyone wants to read further https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/wo...ifesto.pdf
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(Mar 04, 2017, 12:34 pm)Headbanger Wrote: I don't agree with everything on there, but a lot of bears similarity with many democratic republics of the modern day, and makes sense as responsible policy.
Almost all of that does not bear any similarity to democracy. Except maybe separation of church and state. And it makes no sense, because it will only cause hatred, and eventually violence.
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