The Critical Drinker

[Miss Martian]

It was meant in jest, or as Joel would call it "a bit of good natured ribbing".

Just because you're a cis/het white dude - doesn't mean you're overly entitled or priviledge-blind.
Any similarities between oneself and the intended target is entirely up to the reader to infer or refute.
No offence was meant except to those that choose to infer it, based on the aforementioned similarities.

No offense taken.  I'm an American guy that likes girls, not a "cis/het white dude", so it's fine.

It's funny how people like to label others with politically charged terminology when simple English will suffice and be more accurate.

FALSE, on three counts in a single sentence. 1) Cisgendered is more accurate and specific then "guy". 2) Heterosexual is more "accurate" and specific than "likes girls". 3) It's only "politically charged" if you've mistakenly inferred your gender, sexual orientation, and skin color as an insult. None of those should seem insulting to you unless you think cisgendered heterosexual white males are somehow "lesser than" anyone else - which they ARE NOT. So there's no need to get all upset and act like you're the victims of oppression.   

You can be a guy and not be cisgendered. You can like girls and not be hetrosexual. Calling someone cis/het is no more politically charged than calling someone homosexual, lesbian, gay, queer, bisexual, asexual, trans, fluid, or non-binary. I can't believe it's 2021 and some of you people still need all of this spelled out to you. 

TLDR: Neither "Cis/het" nor "white dude" are slurs, and they were never intended as insults. So you can stop playing the victim card. Never be ashamed of who you are, only about how you act (or react).

Thanks for coming to my ted-talk.

Pavlov conditioning at its finest.

 
In order for conditioning to be "pavlovian" it must have 1) a biologically potent stimulus (e.g. food)  and 2) it must be paired with a previously occuring neutral stimulus (e.g. a bell). Since there was no particlar stimulus that I was responding to, my response could not have been pavlovian in nature. I understand that you meant to imply that I have been "conditioned" to be a respectful, caring, and kind person that uses reason and logic in their discourse; but nothing could be further from the truth. The society I grew up in has tried to condition me to be petty, selfish, obnoxious, impulsive, and rude; and my carefully thought out and polite response was anything but that. And it certainly doesn't remotely begin to qualify as a "pavlovian" response. LOL. 

TLDR: Your reactionary comment was unwarranted and completely unfounded. Yet I still wish you well. Thanks.

[MATMAN]

"a respectful, caring, and kind person that uses reason and logic in their discourse"

You sound as if you are applying for a job and trying to impress me. I have no idea how to reply. 

[Miss Martian]

"a respectful, caring, and kind person that uses reason and logic in their discourse"

You sound as if you are applying for a job and trying to impress me. I have no idea how to reply. 

Oh, I think you did a great job of moving the goal posts there. If you can't actually address the topic, you can always just move the goal posts like that. Wouldn't want to apologize or attempt to reassess your response into something reasonable or even on-topic. Why bother growing and maturing, when you can just easily dismiss people by pigeon-holeing them into something that aligns with your pre-existing world view, instead of listening to what they are trying to convey? I guess it's much easier than engaging in any sort of learning about one another, and perhaps growing and changing into more thoughtful, caring, and kind people.

Heaven forbid I ever again say that I'm proud to be a "strong, independent, and brave woman". 
Apparently anyone being proud of who they are, is just too offensive of a notion for you to handle. 

[inelegy]

Not for nothing but Miss Martian seems like an absolute *delight* of a human being, amirite??

I mean, pretty much every thread she turns up in she purposefully instigates or places herself in the center of some sort of bizarre, protracted, off-topic sociopolitical argument/cross to nail herself to.

You know, a wise person once sung, "It's just a show, you should really just relax." (I'd say "a wise man once sung" but I know she'd turn that into some sort of rant/rallying cry against that pesky ol' patriarchy that's always out to get her or something . . . whatever.)

Also, Mods? I mean, seriously . . .

[Moe]

Also, Mods?  I mean, seriously . . .

Pretty hypocritical of you to cry for moderation immediately after adding your two cents.


But since you bring it up, we did try actively moderating this section in the vein of the rest of the forum, but it wasn't well received.

So at this point, outside of spam, flaming puppetry, or outright hostility, we leave this section alone.

If you want to talk amongst yourselves and come up with some rules and nominate a moderator or two, we might consider it.

[Miss Martian]

I AM TRULY SORRY if I come across that way by standing up for myself and others. It's a shame vocal inflection gets lost on the internet, because I think you might find I'm a bit more silly and easy going and laid back than I probably come across here when having SOME of these discussions. I'd like to ask that you go back and re-read my comments and try to hear my voice filled with WARMTH and LOVE and being JOVIAL whilst PLEADING for an end to hostilities. I have explained again and again, that I'm not targeting anyone, but rather trying to bring people to a place of LOVE and UNDERSTANDING and COMRADERY. It's only a few people here that make themselves the target of an off hand comment I make. THEY are the ones climbing on crosses and playing the victim card. I'm not bothered. I've had FOUR seperate people message me directly over the past 2 weeks to show their support for the things that I've said here!!! So implore you to take a step back and look at my words again, and maybe realize that I have never been insulting or used any slurs, or unfairly pigeon-holed anyone. In fact, I have time and again set people up to have the opportunity to just say "Oh, I'm sorry. Now I see that you didn't mean ANY offense to ME by that. Cheers." << IT COULD BE THAT EASY!
 
And I choose to engage in these discourses because I sincerely HOPE the dialoge will lead to a better understanding of one another and an end to these juvenile hostilities.

The only reason this got started was because I posted a comment about being proud to be "a strong and brave woman" (NOT MY WORDS). And the I commented that there were SOME white guys that exist in the world that are entitled. To say that "there are NO white guys that are overly privileged and entitled" is ridiculous, and it would obviously not be true. Yet some of the people on here act like I attacked them. Which I NEVER HAVE.

If I were to say that "some white guys are members of the 401st flying squadron" - would you think that's about you? Would your reaction be "How dare you accuse me of being a member of the 401st flying squadron!!!"? So why would any of you think it's an attack on you if i say "Some white guys are overly self entitled" Are you overly entitled? No? Well okay then - it isnt about you. So theres no need to get all up in arms about it. Just like it's not about you if i say "some white guys are members of the 401st flying squadron". There's no reason to get upset about that factual statement. I sincerely wish I didn't have to describe this so thoroughly - but I do so, only because I CARE ABOUT YOU, my fellow rifftrax lovers.

 My initial point was that this community may be more diverese than the outdated stereotypes (about comics and old movies being strictly the domain of nerdy white boys) might lead one to believe. Cause who wants to be stereotyped as "sheldon" or the "comic book store guy" from the simpsons? I certainly don't.

So I implore you to maybe RE-READ his whole thread and realize that my tone has always been one of calmness; and a call for reason and accountability to win out over juvenile hostilities. And I apologize if my asking for that has made ANYONE'S experience here less enjoyable. My intention is to foster a community of JOY and friendship.

But also, you DON'T HAVE TO read or reply to me at all, unless you want to engage in a discourse that might be a learning experience for all parties involved - including me. Peace be with you.

[OldSkoolRulah]

ITT People who are just as bad as each other trying to bait each other out. All hoping for that mic drop moment, but ending up in a bullshit game of socio-political ping pong instead.

[Meat Trademark]

ALL YOUR THREADS ARE BELONG TO HIJACK!

Hi. I'm meat™ and I like RiffTrax, MST3K, FC, CT, RLM, etc, more than whatever is happening to many threads here.

Please remember that the beating heart of riffing (THE ENTIRE POINT OF THIS FORUM) is poking fun at things to varying degrees.

We are here for FUN. This is not the best nook of the net to get overly serious about social causes. There are so many other places literally tailored for that...

[Miss Martian]

I explained my intentions clearly. I have no interest in "mic drop moments". I'm an old woman. I mean what I say. That may be uncommon but I'm just earnestly trying to extend the hand of peace and friendship. Please don't mistake my intentions. I know there's a lot of people out there who just want to smugly prove themselves right, like life is a competition to "one-up" on one another. That's not me. Hopefully soon, this thread will be dead and buried where it belongs, in the past. Cheers.

[hazzychan]

Not for nothing but Miss Martian seems like an absolute *delight* of a human being, amirite??

I mean, pretty much every thread she turns up in she purposefully instigates or places herself in the center of some sort of bizarre, protracted, off-topic sociopolitical argument/cross to nail herself to.

You know, a wise person once sung, "It's just a show, you should really just relax."  (I'd say "a wise man once sung" but I know she'd turn that into some sort of rant/rallying cry against that pesky ol' patriarchy that's always out to get her or something . . . whatever.)

Also, Mods?  I mean, seriously . . .

No, she sounds absolutely correct, and you manchildren can't handle it. Grow the fuck up.

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ITT People who are just as bad as each other trying to bait each other out. All hoping for that mic drop moment, but ending up in a bullshit game of socio-political ping pong instead.

Yeah yeah, "both sides" enlightened centrist, we know.