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(Jul 15, 2020, 15:36 pm)ill88eagle Wrote: [
I don't take you for one of those cuck klux extremists. But you did say "shoot the mob" a few posts back, and that is pretty extreme in my book too.
agreed (on all points) And that can be extreme but per your post history, that may be an examole of extreme venting since you seem to only worry about you and your family, and not what the community thinks of you as a whole. What you said can be a "lash out" at those who dare question you and your political beliefs... well not even.
Again, I don't need to wear a confederate flag to respect your opinion of what it means to you. If, on the off chance it offended someone (truly offended, not butt hurt people to yell about something). But I'm sure there are blacks who feel alienated seeing that, it hurts them. for that reason (and that I can't know who they may be) i wouldn't wear one even if I cared to. Would you ever wear a swastika? From what I read somewhere it was a hundu sign of peace... Hitler took it because he liked it.
YOu may not believe in communism as a political base, but it does mean community. I believe in the community as a whole and feel we should all take care of each other, even if it means respecting (real, not triggered butthurt) feelings. I also believe in BLM as a concept, NOT as a political movement. Because Black lives matter saying ALL lives matter. the BLM movement doesn't want to hear that since they have an agenda. I know this, but I'll never say ALM since it just served to offent the well meaning, but uneducated public majority. plus, saying that indicates you don't care about others first. May not be the case at all but that's how its perceived.
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(Jul 15, 2020, 16:54 pm)LZA Wrote: Would you ever wear a swastika? Comparing the South with Nazi Germany??? Oh you have got to be joking because that's just plain asinine. Honestly, I shouldn't be surprised because we're living in an era of ridiculousness.
(Jul 15, 2020, 16:54 pm)LZA Wrote: YOu may not believe in communism as a political base, but it does mean community. It also means over 100 million people murdered by the state
(Jul 15, 2020, 16:54 pm)LZA Wrote: I believe in the community as a whole and feel we should all take care of each other, I pay taxes and I do charity work so as far as I'm concerned, outside of my immediate family, my 'responsibility' towards others ends there.
I've got my own problems and my own goals and I don't feel any need to sacrifice my life for the benefit of other people.
(Jul 15, 2020, 16:54 pm)LZA Wrote: even if it means respecting (real, not triggered butthurt) feelings. I also believe in BLM as a concept, NOT as a political movement. Because Black lives matter saying ALL lives matter. the BLM movement doesn't want to hear that since they have an agenda.
BLM is a Marxist terrorist organization and should be treated as such. I don't care if the protests are peaceful, as long as BLM is a part of them then I want the National Guard deployed to put an end to them.
(Jul 15, 2020, 16:54 pm)LZA Wrote: , saying that indicates you don't care about others first.
The appropriate thing to say is that I do NOT care about strangers. The people I care about are me, my child, my parents, my sister and to a lessor extent my closest friends. I'm not Mother Teresa and I don't feel a calling to become someone like her. Therefore, I'm not going to live my life for the benefit of strangers.
(Jul 15, 2020, 15:36 pm)ill88eagle Wrote: You are conveniently avoiding to mention the contexts of those posts and what you actually wrote (that public school sucks because black people for example). You also forgot to mention complaining about BLM every chance you get.
What I said was:
Quote:when it comes to education, America's inner city schools and schools with a large percentage of African American children are a pathetic joke.
You would cringe with horror and fear if you ever spent a day in one of those schools. The teachers are trying damn hard to teach those kids but the students are violent, ignorant, stoned, etc.
A huge percent of those kids don't even know who their father is and their mother is not much better. Children as young as 2 have been left alone in the home for days at a time while the mother is out partying, getting laid or doing drugs.
My point is that what keeps Black Americans down is Black Americans.
Allow me to better clarify and render more politically correct my above comments
The facts are, that for whatever reason, among African Americans there is a disproportionate number of dysfunctional families. This dysfunctionalism plays out in our inner city schools and schools with sizeable African American population that are located adjacent to large cities by rendering those facilities subpar when compared with their less urbanized counterparts.
Furthermore, there is a disproportionate level of violent crime in African American communities located in large cities. The majority of violence is perpetrated by African Americans against African Americans. We do not see these levels of familial dysfunctionalism and violent crime in other minority communities.
My assessment;
We don't get to chose what kind of environment we're born into and life makes no one any promises or owe anyone anything. Regardless if you're an African American living in a urban ghetto or poor white trash living above a Fat Burger, the only person can better your situation is yourself.
Considering that this is the USA and the poorest American still has it better than probably 90% of the world... No one that wants to better their life or their situation has any reason to complain. In this nation, to have a better life, just work hard and save your money. So if you can't better yourself then the only person you have to blame is yourself.
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(Jul 15, 2020, 19:07 pm)soulcity Wrote: (Jul 15, 2020, 16:54 pm)LZA Wrote: YOu may not believe in communism as a political base, but it does mean community. It also means over 100 million people murdered by the state
The word communism is derrived from the word community, so LZA is right here. There is no ethymological base of your claim however. As for historical claims, a lot of murder did go on in Stalin's Soviet (20+ million), Mao's China (40+ million), Pol Pot's Cambodia (2+ million) Etc etc. But as you can see, there is no consistency in the numbers, and none reach your claim to 100 million. But let's stick with the idea that communism = state sanctioned genocide. In this case it would be prudent to investigate two things independently:
1: Have all communist regimes ever been genocidal?
Compare this list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killi...e_occurred
To this list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_...ist_states
I'll spoil it for you - A lot of communist states are NOT on the first list.
2: Genocide as a wider phenomenon, not confined to communism. For instance:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-23427726 Wrote:While the US suffered more than 58,000 dead in the war, an estimated two million Vietnamese civilians were killed, another 5.3 million injured and about 11 million, by US government figures, became refugees in their own country.
Or check this cool list out: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wa...death_toll
It would follow that communism is no more inherrently genocidal than any other ideology / regime.
It is also curious to note that there's a tendency of genocide being carried out by one demographic against another.
And this leads us to this:
(Jul 15, 2020, 19:07 pm)soulcity Wrote: BLM is a Marxist terrorist organization and should be treated as such. I don't care if the protests are peaceful, as long as BLM is a part of them then I want the National Guard deployed to put an end to them.
AAAAND this:
(Jul 11, 2020, 20:54 pm)soulcity Wrote: Save the statures but shoot the mob and all social justice warriors.
So killing civilians is ok by you as long as they are Marxists? Let me give you some sound advice: If you are arguing that some ideology is bad because 'killing civilians' don't spice it up with 'kill the civilians'. That just makes you look stupid.
(Jul 15, 2020, 19:07 pm)soulcity Wrote: (Jul 15, 2020, 15:36 pm)ill88eagle Wrote: You are conveniently avoiding to mention the contexts of those posts and what you actually wrote (that public school sucks because black people for example). You also forgot to mention complaining about BLM every chance you get.
What I said was:
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That inner city schools are horrible because of black people and black people are horrible because they are black?
(Jul 15, 2020, 19:07 pm)soulcity Wrote: Allow me to better clarify and render more politically correct my above comments
The facts are, that for whatever reason, among African Americans there is a disproportionate number of dysfunctional families. This dysfunctionalism plays out in our inner city schools and schools with sizeable African American population that are located adjacent to large cities by rendering those facilities subpar when compared with their less urbanized counterparts.
Furthermore, there is a disproportionate level of violent crime in African American communities located in large cities. The majority of violence is perpetrated by African Americans against African Americans. We do not see these levels of familial dysfunctionalism and violent crime in other minority communities.
Yea, thought so. I already explained planned segregation->sytemic racism to you. I guess it went over your head. It's a short and very pedagogic video though. One more time for the world: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2roWLzrqOjQ
(Jul 15, 2020, 19:07 pm)soulcity Wrote: Considering that this is the USA and the poorest American still has it better than probably 90% of the world...
That's another absurd claim. Have some facts:
https://www.povertyusa.org/facts Wrote:Poverty does not strike all demographics equally. For example, in 2018, 10.6% of men, and 12.9% of women lived in Poverty USA. Along the same lines, the poverty rate for married couples in 2018 was only 4.7% - but the poverty rate for single-parent families with no wife present was 12.7%, and for single-parent families with no husband present was 24.9%.
In 2018, the poverty rate for people living with a disability was 25.7%. That’s nearly 4 million people living with a disability—in poverty.
https://endhomelessness.org/homelessness...rt-legacy/ Wrote:Populations at Risk of Homelessness
Many people with low incomes are at risk of homelessness. Ultimately, this is due to a lack of affordable housing.
The number of poor, renter households experiencing a severe housing cost burden (i.e., those paying more than 50 percent of their income toward housing) totaled 6,902,060 in 2016. This is 3.1 percent lower than 2015, but still 20.8 percent greater than 2007.
According to an analysis of the 2016 American Community Survey, an estimated 4,609,826 people in poor households were living “doubled up” with family and friends. This represents one of the most common prior living situations for people who become homeless. The 2016 rate is 5.7 percent lower than 2015, but still 30.0 percent greater than in 2007.
AAAND: https://www.citypopulation.de/en/world/b...verty.html
There are more people living under the poverty line in USA than in COMMUNIST CHINA!
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(Jul 15, 2020, 19:07 pm)soulcity Wrote: (Jul 15, 2020, 16:54 pm)LZA Wrote: Would you ever wear a swastika? Comparing the South with Nazi Germany??? Oh you have got to be joking because that's just plain asinine. Honestly, I shouldn't be surprised because we're living in an era of ridiculousness. No, not as a whole... It's easy to talk about the whole, but trying to stay on topic, I'm trying to empathize as to why specific people can be upset about the confederate flag.
Most people only know history conceptually, but the feel experiences in their life. So to some, the confederate flag can mean more and hurt more than a swastika can ever, since it's only an evil they are made aware of but haven't experienced. Most people know that the worst pain is what THEY feel specifically
Kinda goes to your statistic about 90% of poor Americans being better off than other worlds. You are doing what they are and going off the perception of what you must think. The ghettos I've been in there was pain and misery, along with people taking victories where they can. But If I told the girl I saw homeless begging for change that she has it better...She'd disagree... Poor is a status not regulated to a place. Also, the mom who got killed delivering Chinese is gone. The family doesn't feel lucky that they live in America...
And when I use words like Socialism, Communism, Democracy, I'm not talking about the people, but the controlling government. I feel sorry for Russian and Chinese people (among all others) who just wanna eke out a life and mind their own business... It's governments who are the evil empire. People in control.
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LZA, did you know that the Swastika symbol wasn't originated in Nazi Germany? Many empires/organisations used this, like Buddhists, the only organisation that isn't like Nazi Germany, and then the Nazis just turned it around and made it their insignia.
In your last paragraph, I now realise that you're not totally out of line (you wren't much out of line before, but there was a moment that I didn't agree with you), if I think I know what you mean by "eke."
As adults, we take responsibility for our actions, wearing a Confederate flag as a t-shirt or having a Nazi tattoo drawn on our skin; it's the actions of the individuals that tells the world something, not the symbols.
I am Chinese, but I am offended by the human rights violations of the ruling body of mainland China, but the red flag means nothing when judging the actions of the government. We, the North Americans, have red on our flags, but we don't bow at the yoke of Communism.
Of course, I wouldn't wear any type of symbol that will win me respect by a stab in the heart, but that's only because I don't want to die young, not because I am offended by it.
Did you know that the Americans were beating up Muslims before and after 9/11?
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(Jul 16, 2020, 16:44 pm)RobertX Wrote: LZA, did you know that the Swastika symbol wasn't originated in Nazi Germany? Many empires/organisations used this, like Buddhists, the only organisation that isn't like Nazi Germany, and then the Nazis just turned it around and made it their insignia.
In your last paragraph, I now realise that you're not totally out of line (you wren't much out of line before, but there was a moment that I didn't agree with you), if I think I know what you mean by "eke."
As adults, we take responsibility for our actions, wearing a Confederate flag as a t-shirt or having a Nazi tattoo drawn on our skin; it's the actions of the individuals that tells the world something, not the symbols.
I am Chinese, but I am offended by the human rights violations of the ruling body of mainland China, but the red flag means nothing when judging the actions of the government. We, the North Americans, have red on our flags, but we don't bow at the yoke of Communism.
Of course, I wouldn't wear any type of symbol that will win me respect by a stab in the heart, but that's only because I don't want to die young, not because I am offended by it.
Did you know that the Americans were beating up Muslims before and after 9/11? yes, from what I think I know, the swastika was a hindu symbol for peace, taken and bastardized by what the nazis used it for. I guess my point using the swastika is to parrallel that although the confederate flag may mean something, to people, it means something more sinister, and to use it goes against caring for community since you are selfishly doing something for your feelings, not considering someone else. My beliefs is that the flag doesn't mean much to me where I would mind not wearing it if someone else won;t get triggered. The flag to me=Dukes of hazzard... 1969 Dodge Charger
also eke, or to eke out: manage to support oneself or make a living with difficulty. to eke out a life
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(Jul 15, 2020, 15:36 pm)ill88eagle Wrote: Yea, thought so. I already explained planned segregation->sytemic racism to you. I guess it went over your head. It's a short and very pedagogic video though. One more time for the world: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2roWLzrqOjQ
1. You can say what you want and you can believe whatever you wish. I may not agree with you and I might even despise what you're saying. But I will defend your right to express your opinions as long as you're not supporting some terrorist organization or preaching a Marxist doctrine. But I will call the FBI on anyone that is supporting terrorism or Marxism and I absolutely do advocate executing them to protect my nation.
2. I've never once called for the segregation of any schools or any part of society. The smallest minority in the world is the individual and I unequivocally support the rights of the individual to work hard and make something out of themselves, regardless of their background. Therefore my recognizing the problems with certain schools and refusing to enroll my daughter in them is not racism... It's me being a good mother.
3. I've said what I've said and I'm not going to apologize or walk back any of my comments. In fact, I've been extremely patient and more than indulgent then I would ever be in the real world. Everyone is most certainly within their rights to quote and spin the debate anyway they wish. But I'm just as much within my rights to say that it smacks of the same type of academic tripe and swill that was shoved down my throat in college which continues to have no basis in reality.
So no apologies from me and if I had the money I would put a statue of Abraham Lincoln in my front yard. Also, I'm voting for Trump.
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(Jul 18, 2020, 08:29 am)soulcity Wrote: Also, I'm voting for Trump.
Good for you soulcity. Stick with the Right and let all the Lefties vote their way, not that it will do any good but at least they believe it will. Keep America free.
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(Jul 18, 2020, 08:34 am)RodneyYouPlonker Wrote: (Jul 18, 2020, 08:29 am)soulcity Wrote: Also, I'm voting for Trump.
Good for you soulcity. Stick with the Right and let all the Lefties vote their way, not that it will do any good but at least they believe it will. Keep America free.
Thank you
Far too many Americans have family that have lost their lives defending our nation AND ensuring freedom for many others. I would like to pass on a warning that my parents gave to me about the Academic-Leftist. That warning is that they're extremely arrogant narcissists that are perpetually drunk on the so-called greater morality of self-created delusions and believe that they have a God given right to tell everyone how to live their lives.
We would all do well to keep in my that these are the same people that managed to turn a disease with a low mortality rate, that majorly only kills the elderly and those with preexisting medical problems, into an economy and freedom destroying pandemic. They get to congregate by the thousands and scream in each other's faces for any cause they deem worthy but singing in a church is labeled a murderous affair.
As far as I'm concerned, the belief of any and all Marxist ideologies is nothing short of a mental illness.
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(Jul 18, 2020, 08:29 am)soulcity Wrote: Marxism
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxism Wrote:Marxism is a method of socioeconomic analysis that uses a materialist interpretation of historical development, better known as historical materialism, to understand class relations and social conflict as well as a dialectical perspective to view social transformation. It originates from the works of 19th-century German philosophers Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels. As Marxism has developed over time into various branches and schools of thought, there is currently no single definitive Marxist theory.
(Jul 18, 2020, 08:29 am)soulcity Wrote: I absolutely do advocate executing them to protect my nation.
By definition, executing civilians because of their political leanings is terrorism. Nothing new in the land of burgerclaps though. The US sponsored Chilean coup and subsequent execution of all left leaning intellectuals is a mighty fine example of such behavior.
(Jul 18, 2020, 08:34 am)RodneyYouPlonker Wrote: (Jul 18, 2020, 08:29 am)soulcity Wrote: Also, I'm voting for Trump.
Good for you soulcity. Stick with the Right and let all the Lefties vote their way, not that it will do any good but at least they believe it will. Keep America free.
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