NSA Fallout Hits American Business To The Tune Of Four Billion Dollars: Brazil ...

[Rick]

Privacy: Brazil ditches Boeing’s F/A-18 in favor of SAAB’s JAS 39 Gripen over the NSA’s rogue behavior. In a press conference tonight, Brazil’s defense department announces that Brazil will buy the Swedish fighter jet, according to multiple Brazilian sources. The direct reason for rejecting Boeing’s F/A-18 was the United States’ hostile and unacceptable spying behavior against Brazil and the rest of the world.

With the F/A-18 rejected, which had been Brazil’s favorite up until Snowden’s revelations started to unravel, Brazil will buy 12 JAS 39 Gripen-NG fighters initially at a cost of 4 billion USD, intending to buy a total of 36 aircraft.

President Dilma Rousseff personally rejected the F/A-18 in favor of the JAS 39 Gripen-NG, according to Brazilian sources. The only drawback is said to be that the -NG [Next Generation] version of the Gripen is not yet in serial production, but only at the prototype stage.


Originally Published: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 19:14:41 +0000
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[-nelly-]

Viva Snowden!!. Now that all the revelations are starting to hit them in the pocket. Maybe, hopefully we'll see some flicker of hope for change. -nelly- waits for Germany's response to Merkel's phone tap revelation seeing as they are the economic powerhouse of Europe

[NIK]

Surely anyone buying any weaponry from the Americans which includes any electronic components has to suspect it will include a hidden remote deactivation feature for use by US troops should the weapons ever be deployed against them (or potentially by any troops should the codes ever be hacked).

[-nelly-]

Surely anyone buying any weaponry from the Americans which includes any electronic components has to suspect it will include a hidden remote deactivation feature for use by US troops should the weapons ever be deployed against them (or potentially by any troops should the codes ever be hacked).

I'm sure there's many nations thinking the exact same thing NIK lol. The sad part about this whole nasty affair is it's going to influence peoples opinions of the American people. And not aportion the blame where it should be. With the Administration/NSA/CIA and big business.

Personally i hope this whole Snowden affair brings about the beginning of the end of all this 1984 style crap that has been exposed but which has been going on for decades (And not just by the U.S. They were just unfortunate enough to be caught).

[stormium]

Surely anyone buying any weaponry from the Americans which includes any electronic components has to suspect it will include a hidden remote deactivation feature for use by US troops should the weapons ever be deployed against them (or potentially by any troops should the codes ever be hacked).

i'll just assume that's a joke.

in the long run, brazil can purchase as many inferior weapon systems as they want and they will only end up hurting themselves in the long run.

what i find most amusing about the little snitch and his act of treason is that every government on this planet conducts the same type of surveillance, aspires to conduct the same type of surveillance or just lies about it. that is the nature of nation states.

[Carjacker]

Surely anyone buying any weaponry from the Americans which includes any electronic components has to suspect it will include a hidden remote deactivation feature for use by US troops should the weapons ever be deployed against them (or potentially by any troops should the codes ever be hacked).

i'll just assume that's a joke.

in the long run, brazil can purchase as many inferior weapon systems as they want and they will only end up hurting themselves in the long run.

what i find most amusing about the little snitch and his act of treason is that every government on this planet conducts the same type of surveillance, aspires to conduct the same type of surveillance or just lies about it. that is the nature of nation states.

How in fuckin Hell did you get a 'Trusted' Uploader tag?? Im not downing your uploads, you might have planted some hidden code in shit to map connections and suck my data up into some NSA/CIA Zionist NAS storage...

[NIK]

I can scarcely believe that you would even think that I was joking. Both in general and particularly in light of the news story heading this thread. People do not cancel $4B orders--in favor of apparently inferior products which don't even exist yet--on a whim. America is deeply deeply deeply distrusted. The actions of the NSA have done your reputation truly staggering harm. And that will have ongoing geopolitical and economic costs.

[Q91]

I thought getting the Swedish fighter planes would be like buying american ones, since sweden seems to be far up USA's ass you might not see it

[stormium]

How in fuckin Hell did you get a 'Trusted' Uploader tag?? Im not downing your uploads, you might have planted some hidden code in shit to map connections and suck my data up into some NSA/CIA Zionist NAS storage...

the trusted status? it just showed up one day, but that's besides the point. should my personal political agendas have any reflection on the quality or trustworthiness of the files that i share? who knows?

my only gripe with the nsa are their domestic surveillance objectives, waste of resources and funds... on, and the continued use of contractors and direct subordinates that should never have been trusted with the ts/csi in the first place (although, this is more of a rampant problem across the entire whole of the government).

when the original patriot act started making it's first appearance, i was firmly opposed to it in every way, shape and form as i felt that it was in direct conflict with the constitution. it got to the point where my friends and people that i served with just started avoiding speaking with me because i sounded like a broken record, it was almost as if no one cared and i couldn't exactly understand why.

it took a few years of disenchantment but now, now i've just come to the generalized understanding that it's the nature of things and those things will be what they will be. technological advancement especially in terms of human communication concepts/theory/practice and information availability/accessibility rules supreme.

imagine what the world was like back in the few short months before the start of wwII (depending on where and when you view the official start: 1931 manchuria, 1937 china or 1939 poland). intelligence gathering and counter intelligence activities ruled not only the military and social objectives of nearly the entire planet, but also fueled political objectives for decades to come.

i see no major difference in the intelligence activities being conducted today as opposed to those of the past with the only acceptation being they crossed several lines that they weren't supposed to and it has grown in scale and technology to meet new challenges. now, keeping that it mind; the united state's domestic surveillance program is nothing new. it operated before 9/11 from other countries such as the uk, ireland, new zealand, canada, australia, etc. as those countries didn't have to worry about breaking any laws regarding the spying on american citizens. the united states did the same for our domestic spying allies.

i've said it before, and i'll gladly say again; i fucking hate politicians for the same reason that i what i believe: we all have our own personal objectives. anyone who tells you any different is lying and most people that agree with you don't care or just lying about agreeing with you. if the nsa was acting on it's own (which i really doubt), you can blame a politician's little pet project. in this case, you can directly point your finger at obama and feinstein. if it's true that they had no idea what the nsa was doing; they're simply incompetent... and if it's true that they did know what the nsa was up to, then hey... they're just being politicians.

but, yeah... i'm less concerned about the nsa and more concerned with finding every fucker that fell for the whole, 'obama. change we can believe in.' bullshit and laughing in their face until i either get beaten the crap out of, stabbed or shot. and... yeah, i'm aware that the people don't elect the president, but their support fuels their ego and that makes them just as responsible.

I can scarcely believe that you would even think that I was joking. Both in general and particularly in light of the news story heading this thread. People do not cancel $4B orders--in favor of apparently inferior products which don't even exist yet--on a whim. America is deeply deeply deeply distrusted. The actions of the NSA have done your reputation truly staggering harm. And that will have ongoing geopolitical and economic costs.

what's 4 billion? we've waste more than that just for publicity stunts. but you're right, people don't cancel 4 billion dollar orders... but governments do and it happens quite often. in brazil's case, that just tells me that they are little butt hurt. it happens in every relationship... and that's if you believe brazi's claim that it doesn't want the jets because we were conducting data collection activities. i can think of several reasons as to why they would give a false reason for canceling a hardware order.

the united states has been deeply deeply distrusted for a while; that's nothing new and besides that, what country doesn't upset other countries? at the end of the day, the world's leaders are just a group of childish twats that want to sit around and point fingers, lay blame and attempt to dominate the world.

at the end of my day, i'm stoked just to see the taco truck coming down the street.

that's life.

a few years ago, the russians and chinese were upset because we developed space drones and they were throwing such a tantrum about it. today, not even a peep.