Mastercard, Visa, eBay, Paypal and Stripe all abandon Facebook's Libra currency
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Facebook's embattled Libra project suffered a major blow on Friday as four payment processors—Stripe, Visa, Mastercard, and Mercado Pago—withdrew from participation in the Libra Association, the Geneva-based group Facebook created to develop the virtual currency. eBay also announced its resignation Friday. eBay's former subsidiary, PayPal, quit the group last week.

The timing is not a coincidence. The Libra Association is scheduled to hold its first official meeting on Monday. At that meeting, members will be asked to make binding commitments to the project. So for members who weren't prepared to commit to the project, Friday was a good day to get out.

But this is an awkward development for Facebook. When the company introduced Libra earlier this year, it said it hoped to grow Libra's membership from 27 companies to more than 100 by the time the Libra network launched in 2020. Instead, the association's membership has fallen to 22 companies.

The even more ominous sign for Facebook is who bowed out. All but one of the payment-processing companies that originally signed up for Libra have now withdrawn (the one exception so far is Netherlands-based payment company PayU, which signaled its continued support on Wednesday). Their participation would have been significant because Libra faces a lot of skepticism from regulators. Companies like Visa and Mastercard have ample experience with regulations related to payments and could have helped Libra navigate those issues. But they also had the most to lose from confrontations with regulators.

One of the trickiest issues for any cryptocurrency is how to interact with the conventional financial system. Regulators often focus their enforcement efforts on intermediaries who help customers swap conventional currencies for cryptocurrencies.

Libra's official documentation is vague on exactly how this will work, stating only that the Libra Association will establish a network of "authorized resellers" to make sure customers can easily trade their dollars and euros in for facebucks.

Payment processors like Visa, Mastercard, and Stripe could have been helpful here—both with designing a system that's secure and user-friendly, and also with securing approval from regulators. Their departure means that Facebook will have to figure out many of these issues on its own.

The Libra project has been met with skepticism or even outright hostility by regulators in the United States and overseas. The Libra Association has yet to clearly explain how it's going to comply with the broad range of regulations that govern financial networks. The project faces skepticism from policymakers who aren't sure Facebook can be trusted to handle peoples' money responsibly, regardless of how the network is designed.

At the same time, Libra has not been popular in the conventional blockchain world. Many supporters of Bitcoin and Ethereum were attracted by these networks' decentralized architecture.
They like the idea of a financial system that's outside the control of any single organization.

The Libra network, in contrast, will be completely under the control of a single private group—the Libra Association. For many cryptocurrency enthusiasts, that represents a step backwards. It's not clear if it's even possible to marry the technical advantages of an open blockchain with the heavy regulatory burden the law imposes on conventional payment networks.







https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019...n-one-day/

https://in.reuters.com/article/us-facebo...NKBN1WQ2KL
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I don't think I could put my trust in the Facebook site in that way.  It doesn't seem to hold up a very good reputation really as they all say that it is where all the 'trouble' seems to come from these days, Facebook.

Me as an internet user of a very often and regular basis would more likely find using Coin to be much more fun and I feel like I'm more in control of doing that myself.

Coin is great really as I've found out before, have encountered offers in the past by using it and have managed to save money which is a great bonus these days.

I just could never put my trust in a site like Facebook you don't really know who is running the place.  Had so much trouble with it over the years, terrible site really.
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I've been using Facebook for 10 years , and certainly not for news! I do business with a lot of people there so Facebook has been a valuable resource to me in that way. However, I don't send money through Facebook. I also have my ad blocker effectively working. If breaking them up in the future doesn't interfere with those things I say GO FOR IT !
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How do you enforce contracts with crypto currency that is not officially government accepted currency?
How do customers get refunds on crypto sales?

I can hardly see where there will ever be any real benefits to using crypto over CCs for commerce, except perhaps for the black market. And presently those sales are coming under government surveillance, and becoming increasingly unsafe, even for buyers.

For example, Amazon, with their Visa card has an A-Z policy that guarantees buyer satisfaction and quick refunds. ANy refunds to an account would be traceable to the buyer!
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(Oct 19, 2019, 20:00 pm)waregim Wrote: How do you enforce contracts with crypto currency that is not officially government accepted currency?
How do customers get refunds on crypto sales?

I can hardly see where there will ever be any real benefits to using crypto over CCs for commerce, except perhaps for the black market. And presently those sales are coming under government surveillance, and becoming increasingly unsafe, even for buyers.

For example, Amazon, with their Visa card has an A-Z policy that guarantees buyer satisfaction and quick refunds. ANy refunds to an account would be traceable to the buyer!

I have a BitPay VISA debit card, which instantly converts my Bitcoin to U.S. Dollars.   A Georgia-based company and with accounts in a New York bank, BitPay also deals with 100 other countries.

They've been in business for at least 5 years.   So clearly the U.S. government is fine with the concept of converting BTC to USD.

Also here in California and no doubt in several other states,  there are Bitcoin machines in some supermarkets, although I've never used one.
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Merchant rates on Visa are 2-5%. Whats the bite on Visa with cryptos?

Point being: If I buy a loaded hookah for 100 satoshis, how much do have to pay, and how much does the seller get?

Is the transaction to the exchange or the seller? Who is the merchant of record on the bill?

The BTC machines around here charge rates that would make even Western Union weep.

The day may come when I might need a crypto to do a transaction. But only for the duration of the transaction.

Cryptos are not money as they do not have a relatively stable value. They are not an investment as they can go down in value as easily as up.
But why bother with them in normal ecommerce? CC and PayPal work just fine.
However, as the economy tanks more will be forced to default on CCs and lose access to them. Cryptos are useful then as a shadow banking system.

Of course they are also very useful for black market (esp. Dark Web) and evading capital controls, so expect Big Brother to keep a close eye on them.

The day may come when I may need to buy antibiotics for my chickens on the Dark Web. And I dont give a rats azz if the feds trace it.
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