Combination of a bittorrent client + cryptocoin wallet

[fruit of the forest]

Is it possible to create a combination of a bittorrent client + cryptocoin wallet, that will reward you for seeding?

[stormium]

seeding is it's own reward.

to directly answer your question: in theory, yes.

[Kingfish]

Who would give you the money to seed though?

[fruit of the forest]

Who would give you the money to seed though?

With a proof-of-upload system. The more data you seed, the more coins you "mining".

https://crypto.stackexchange.com/questio...io-trackin

[Kingfish]

You know the mind boggles when people want to mix totally unrelated applications but torrent client makers actually like nothing more these days than mixing up a torrent client with other random offerings so although its not something I would be interested in the mainstream client makers would likely give it a bash.

[NIK]

With a proof-of-upload system. The more data you seed, the more coins you "mining".

Bitcoins are mined by running a specific algorithm. That isn't it.

In other words for your proposal to work you would have to:
- modify the BitTorrent protocol
- modify the BitCoin protocol
- convince the developers of the main BitTorrent clients to implement the modified protocol (rather than sticking with the original)
- convince the developers of the main BitCoin apps to implement the modified protocol (rather than sticking with the original)
- convince the users of the main BitTorrent clients to accept the "upgrade"
- convince the users of the main BitCoin clients to accept the "upgrade"

ie. in theory, no physical laws would need to be broken, no faster than light travel would be required for instance, so sure it's theoretically possible. Just as it's theoretically possible that I might travel to Pluto in my lifetime.

In practice, the number and size of improbabilities is so great that there isn't a snowball's chance in hell of anyone ever even trying to combine a bittorrent client and a cryptocoin wallet.

It is just as unlikely that such accountability, or even just the improved statistical reporting that would be called for before you could even consider holding people to account, will be a feature of any future protocol that supplants BitTorrent. For two reasons:

1. Bandwidths vary widely all over the world. A protocol which rewards people for "above average" behaviour by definition punishes people for "below average" behaviour, even if that behaviour is simply because they're too poor to be able to afford broadband or a seedbox. it. half the people wouldn't use such a system in the first place; then half the people who did would stop as soon as they realised they were in the bottom half of users; and then half the users who remained would stop as soon as they realised they were now in the bottom half of users; and so on.

2. The trend in filesharing is towards privacy and away from invasive monitoring. Currently, if you're accused of piracy you have totally legitimate plausible deniability--an IP address is not a person. If you've "signed for" everything you've up / downloaded with your private key, you're far more easily and definitively identifiable. Such a client would never attract enough users to gain enough traction to get off the ground.

[fruit of the forest]

With a proof-of-upload system. The more data you seed, the more coins you "mining".

Bitcoins are mined by running a specific algorithm. That isn't it.

In other words for your proposal to work you would have to:
- modify the BitTorrent protocol
- modify the BitCoin protocol
- convince the developers of the main BitTorrent clients to implement the modified protocol (rather than sticking with the original)
- convince the developers of the main BitCoin apps to implement the modified protocol (rather than sticking with the original)
- convince the users of the main BitTorrent clients to accept the "upgrade"
- convince the users of the main BitCoin clients to accept the "upgrade"

ie. in theory, no physical laws would need to be broken, no faster than light travel would be required for instance, so sure it's theoretically possible. Just as it's theoretically possible that I might travel to Pluto in my lifetime.

In practice, the number and size of improbabilities is so great that there isn't a snowball's chance in hell of anyone ever even trying to combine a bittorrent client and a cryptocoin wallet.

It is just as unlikely that such accountability, or even just the improved statistical reporting that would be called for before you could even consider holding people to account, will be a feature of any future protocol that supplants BitTorrent. For two reasons:

1. Bandwidths vary widely all over the world. A protocol which rewards people for "above average" behaviour by definition punishes people for "below average" behaviour, even if that behaviour is simply because they're too poor to be able to afford broadband or a seedbox. it. half the people wouldn't use such a system in the first place; then half the people who did would stop as soon as they realised they were in the bottom half of users; and then half the users who remained would stop as soon as they realised they were now in the bottom half of users; and so on.

2. The trend in filesharing is towards privacy and away from invasive monitoring. Currently, if you're accused of piracy you have totally legitimate plausible deniability--an IP address is not a person. If you've "signed for" everything you've up / downloaded with your private key, you're far more easily and definitively identifiable. Such a client would never attract enough users to gain enough traction to get off the ground.

OK. I understand. And if the client and the wallet were separate but work together? Or if the more time you seed, the more coins you "mining"?

[NIK]

No, I'm afraid you don't understand. There is no way to link the two without modifying the way they both work, which is not going to happen under any remotely plausible circumstances.

The people responsible for the BitTorrent protocol are interested in filesharing, not providing a way for people to mint money. They're as likely to change as McDonalds is to start retailing motorcycle helmets.

The people responsible or BitCoin are interested in providing a general purpose currency, not in provide a way for filesharers to keep track of how much seeding they're doing. They're as likely to change as Nokia is to start selling time share vacation homes.

You're not flogging a dead horse you're flogging a plastic toy horse which was never alive in the first place even though you swear you can remember seeing it move by itself once when you were 4.

[fruit of the forest]

The answer from tribler forum:

http://forum.tribler.org/viewtopic.php?f...ec9#p10725

[Kingfish]

The answer from tribler forum:

http://forum.tribler.org/viewtopic.php?f...ec9#p10725

"It's the holy grail. Yes", told you, they are all raving loonies.