Another shooting and no one raises am eyebrow

[psheldrake1]

And how many people have been shot since this thread started. I don't here you're complaints about them.

[Criminogenic]

(17th November 2009 04:05)Headbanger Wrote:  No; There is a time and place for policing crime, and there are people who should be locked up for life, but I don't think this is the case in most incidents. As a matter of fact, I believe that most punishments handed out by the court system are too severe and damage society more than criminals.

Poverty and crime go hand in hand, and it is my opinion that poverty is one of the largest contributors to crime. Combating poverty would be the number one best way to reduce crime. (no, I don't know any ways to magically reduce poverty)

The second best way to remove crimes that, well, shouldn't be crimes. A major example of which would be the decriminalization of marijuana, and possibly the legalization of prostitution. I'm sure others could come up with some more examples.

Of course I'm not suggesting that these methods would eliminate all crime - indeed, some people apparently have no motivation for the crimes they commit, or are deranged/deluded/wannabe martyrs etc. The best we can do in these situations is to react to them.

Thank you SO much for saying that... though, I don't believe that we can ever police out crime without going all Minority Report.

[j3frinho7]

(17th November 2009 21:47)Criminogenic Wrote:  

(17th November 2009 04:05)Headbanger Wrote:  No; There is a time and place for policing crime, and there are people who should be locked up for life, but I don't think this is the case in most incidents. As a matter of fact, I believe that most punishments handed out by the court system are too severe and damage society more than criminals.

Poverty and crime go hand in hand, and it is my opinion that poverty is one of the largest contributors to crime. Combating poverty would be the number one best way to reduce crime. (no, I don't know any ways to magically reduce poverty)

The second best way to remove crimes that, well, shouldn't be crimes. A major example of which would be the decriminalization of marijuana, and possibly the legalization of prostitution. I'm sure others could come up with some more examples.

Of course I'm not suggesting that these methods would eliminate all crime - indeed, some people apparently have no motivation for the crimes they commit, or are deranged/deluded/wannabe martyrs etc. The best we can do in these situations is to react to them.

Thank you SO much for saying that... though, I don't believe that we can ever police out crime without going all Minority Report.

thank you both...

I just want to add that once we kill poverty and decrease (as much as possible) crime reasons, the next step should be tougher punishments considering the reason of the crime, and if we continue in that way, I think that can solve %80 (if not more) of the problem.

[Scrufuss]

(17th November 2009 18:49)psheldrake1 Wrote:  And how many people have been shot since this thread started. I don't here you're complaints about them.

Why keep beating a dead horse...

[doomsdayedje]

Why does police excist.!!?
There had to be a need for it first..crime has always been around.
Lots to say about this subject.
Only thing I do like to mention is that there is nothing more deceiving than numbers on paper and the interpretation of them.
The true bodycount will never be clear, so the fact that sensational BS from the media at least give some indication of some of the things that happen, so we can read about it and say damn, that is bad, where is this world comming to.....and, ........whats for dinner..??

Shit happens, just better make sure they take their dump in the other guys garden...............................

[Bamimi]

oh god, "let's stop crime by not having any poor"? really? Oh geez, I disagree with this so much it isnt even funny. oh hey I'm going to steal, so why don't you give me a bunch of cash and I won't!
There are plenty of people who do crime far more then when they need money to not be poor. and make drugs legal? ya let's have our cops getting high and CPA's and doctors, and teachers....ya because we all know how great people are able to function when baked. and we all know how responsible people are in general and will surely only get baked when they 'should'. wow.....all we need is a country full of people sitting at home baking and becoming even more useless to be even less productive then they already are, then coming back saying they need welfair cause they can't stand on their two feet in life. not.

[Criminogenic]

(25th November 2009 09:55)Bamimi Wrote:  oh god, "let's stop crime by not having any poor"? really? Oh geez, I disagree with this so much it isnt even funny. oh hey I'm going to steal, so why don't you give me a bunch of cash and I won't!
There are plenty of people who do crime far more then when they need money to not be poor. and make drugs legal? ya let's have our cops getting high and CPA's and doctors, and teachers....ya because we all know how great people are able to function when baked. and we all know how responsible people are in general and will surely only get baked when they 'should'. wow.....all we need is a country full of people sitting at home baking and becoming even more useless to be even less productive then they already are, then coming back saying they need welfair cause they can't stand on their two feet in life. not.

Well, it is not so much that poverty CAUSES crime but that poverty creates conditions in which crime is more likely to occur (crime being a socially constructed idea that is subject to political interests). That is an important distinction. Further, we also have to remember that our justice system (legislation, law enforcement, prisons, judicial system) are tilted against the poor. It is illegal to sell drugs but rich people rarely get caught for doing it (oh yes, there are upper class drug dealers) because they can afford to do their business more discreetly and behind closed doors. The rich can afford a big house in a nice, gated community so no one will hear them beating their wives, unlike the poor couple that lives in an apartment with paper-thin walls. Both the rich and the poor commit crimes. The poor just don't have the means to get away with it. The poor guy will get arrested for robbing a house. The rich guy will get away with stealing thousands to millions from investors. The types of crimes we enforce and legislate focus on the poor despite the fact that "white collar crime" costs us more in terms of lives, injuries, and property damages than all FBI index crimes combined (source: Kappeler & Potter - the Mythology of Crime).

So I guess the relationship should be restated--poverty increases the risk of arrest, not necessarily the risk of crime.

[doomsdayedje]

(28th November 2009 21:00)Criminogenic Wrote:  Well, it is not so much that poverty CAUSES crime but that poverty creates conditions in which crime is more likely to occur (crime being a socially constructed idea that is subject to political interests). That is an important distinction. Further, we also have to remember that our justice system (legislation, law enforcement, prisons, judicial system) are tilted against the poor. It is illegal to sell drugs but rich people rarely get caught for doing it (oh yes, there are upper class drug dealers) because they can afford to do their business more discreetly and behind closed doors. The rich can afford a big house in a nice, gated community so no one will hear them beating their wives, unlike the poor couple that lives in an apartment with paper-thin walls. Both the rich and the poor commit crimes. The poor just don't have the means to get away with it. The poor guy will get arrested for robbing a house. The rich guy will get away with stealing thousands to millions from investors. The types of crimes we enforce and legislate focus on the poor despite the fact that "white collar crime" costs us more in terms of lives, injuries, and property damages than all FBI index crimes combined (source: Kappeler & Potter - the Mythology of Crime).

So I guess the relationship should be restated--poverty increases the risk of arrest, not necessarily the risk of crime.

That is a nice piece, I had a simulair reply in mind, but this is very good.


Well, I asume the "white collar criminals" buy or rent their DVD's, cause they cant be bothered to learn how to download them.
So, according to Movie-Hollywood-standards, those are "Model Citizens" (dont mind the murder and mayhem though..... ...)